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« Reply #120 on: March 24, 2006, 06:21:21 PM »
Jackall - don't be afraid to quote your (5 year old) links! Here, I'll do it for you: http://www.cs.usask.ca/undergrads/kmb129/490/assignments/assignment_1/against_global_warming.html

Undergraduates homework assignment? :lol

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« Reply #121 on: March 24, 2006, 06:26:49 PM »
THE LEIPZIG DECLARATION ON GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE

As independent scientists concerned with atmospheric and climate problems, we -- along with many of our fellow citizens -– are apprehensive about emission targets and timetables adopted at the Climate Conference held in Kyoto, Japan, in December 1997. This gathering of politicians from some 160 signatory nations aims to impose on citizens of the industrialized nations, -- but not on others -- a system of global environmental regulations that include quotas and punitive taxes on energy fuels to force substantial cuts in energy use within 10 years, with further cuts to follow. Stabilizing atmospheric carbon dioxide -- the announced goal of the Climate Treaty -- would require that fuel use be cut by as much as 60 to 80 percent -- worldwide!

Energy is essential for economic growth. In a world in which poverty is the greatest social pollutant, any restriction on energy use that inhibits economic growth should be viewed with caution. We understand the motivation to eliminate what are perceived to be the driving forces behind a potential climate change; but we believe the Kyoto Protocol -- to curtail carbon dioxide emissions from only part of the world community -- is dangerously simplistic, quite ineffective, and economically destructive to jobs and standards-of-living.

More to the point, we consider the scientific basis of the 1992 Global Climate Treaty to be flawed and its goal to be unrealistic. The policies to implement the Treaty are, as of now, based solely on unproven scientific theories, imperfect computer models -- and the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from an increase in greenhouse gases, requiring immediate action. We do not agree. We believe that the dire predictions of a future warming have not been validated by the historic climate record, which appears to be dominated by natural fluctuations, showing both warming and cooling. These predictions are based on nothing more than theoretical models and cannot be relied on to construct far-reaching policies.

As the debate unfolds, it has become increasingly clear that –- contrary to the conventional wisdom -- there does not exist today a general scientific consensus about the importance of greenhouse warming from rising levels of carbon dioxide. In fact, most climate specialists now agree that actual observations from both weather satellites and balloon-borne radiosondes show no current warming whatsoever--in direct contradiction to computer model results.

Historically, climate has always been a factor in human affairs -– with warmer periods, such as the medieval "climate optimum," playing an important role in economic expansion and in the welfare of nations that depend primarily on agriculture. Colder periods have caused crop failures, and led to famines, disease, and other documented human misery. We must, therefore, remain sensitive to any and all human activities that could affect future climate.

However, based on all the evidence available to us, we cannot subscribe to the politically inspired world view that envisages climate catastrophes and calls for hasty actions. For this reason, we consider the drastic emission control policies deriving from the Kyoto conference -- lacking credible support from the underlying science -- to be ill-advised and premature.
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« Reply #122 on: March 24, 2006, 06:29:34 PM »
Don't forget to quote your sources! Here - I'll do it for you - again

http://www.sepp.org/leipzig.html

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« Reply #123 on: March 24, 2006, 06:49:39 PM »
As usual, you miss the obvious and the point entirely.
I can see why you are so thirsty now. :rofl
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« Reply #124 on: March 24, 2006, 07:10:41 PM »
There was a point? :D

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« Reply #125 on: March 24, 2006, 07:16:54 PM »
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Yes, I'm ignoring it - because there's nothing I can do about it. Even on earth, my personal contribution to global warming is only 0.000000007% of the world total.


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Since your personal contribution to global warming is only 0.000000007% of the world total, to be consistant you should ignore our global warming as well.


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No, because it's 25% of the world total, as compared with 2% for the UK.


We were discussing your personal contribution to global warming in the above exchange, then you suddenly changed to US vs UK.

It seems inconsistancy is your forte'.

>edit... I see... you were thinking 'our' meant the USA, while I was referring to humanity.  I was including you in 'our'
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« Reply #126 on: March 24, 2006, 07:22:13 PM »
Oh, OK - let's go back to my personal contribution to global warming. And let's not forget that forthcoming boat trip, which will consume about 90 litres of diesl fuel between six of us, in a week. That's 15 litres which can be ascribed directly to me!

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« Reply #127 on: March 24, 2006, 07:28:16 PM »
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There was a point? :D


Exactly.
Thanks for your input. :rofl
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« Reply #128 on: March 24, 2006, 07:31:15 PM »
Well... I'll need time to work out what it was - you can correct Davy Crockett's spelling mistakes while you're waiting!

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« Reply #129 on: March 24, 2006, 07:47:48 PM »
Davy`s spelling is just fine. I didn`t have a bit of trouble reading and understanding it. Did you?
Recognize or recognise? I have no problem understanding either.
Take all the time you need. The obvious seems to be a puzzle for you.
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« Reply #130 on: March 24, 2006, 07:47:53 PM »
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Oh, OK - let's go back to my personal contribution to global warming. And let's not forget that forthcoming boat trip, which will consume about 90 litres of diesl fuel between six of us, in a week. That's 15 litres which can be ascribed directly to me!


6 men no doubt, eh?  Got a VCR on the boat? Maybe you can play "Love Boat" re-runs. :)

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« Reply #131 on: March 24, 2006, 07:49:15 PM »
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6 men no doubt, eh?  Got a VCR on the boat? Maybe you can play "Love Boat" re-runs. :)


Brokeback Canoe. :rofl
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« Reply #132 on: March 24, 2006, 07:51:22 PM »
No Rip - 4-2! But I'll be sure to take my knitting and crochet work. ;)

Oh and by the way - I was wrong in an earlier thread about my uncle's boat. It was a 26ft boat, and whereas I thought he used an ordinary car for towing it, he told me at the weekend that he towed it with a Land Rover - pfft! I didn't even know he had a Land Rover.

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« Reply #133 on: March 24, 2006, 08:39:27 PM »
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No Rip - 4-2! But I'll be sure to take my knitting and crochet work. ;)

Oh and by the way - I was wrong in an earlier thread about my uncle's boat. It was a 26ft boat, and whereas I thought he used an ordinary car for towing it, he told me at the weekend that he towed it with a Land Rover - pfft! I didn't even know he had a Land Rover.


You're average 26 ft boat with a diesel here in the US runs anywhere from 8,000 to 10,000 lbs. If he's towing it with a Land Rover, then he's towing outside the safe limit of his vehicle.:confused:   Next time you speak with him, ask him how much his boat weighs (Dry weight)

Incidently, that Land Rover is classified as a Gas Guzzler SUV in the USA, at 14 mpg city. :rofl

Hello Irony!:rofl

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« Reply #134 on: March 24, 2006, 09:57:12 PM »
Many here miss the logics:
"I don`t see enough vegatation being planted "by hand" to make any noticeable difference.(Read that as machinery output) So......how do you suggest this gets done without creating more CO2
than it takes care of?"

It didn't even require human interference to tie down vast masses of CO2, deep into the earth. What is oil?
What is soil as well? Do you have to plant every year? Did anyone ever hear of forests? What are the effects of forests on CO2?
Do you know that a typical farm only needs to allocate some odd 10% of it's land to create all the energy needed for the production from the other 90%? Guess not.
And for the UK pumping out 2% of greenhouse gases while the USA has 25%, - WOW! Didn't know that. That leaves the US citizen dumping 2.5 times as much pro person than a Brit, - and the UK is after all an industrial country! Even infested with Land Rovers!
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)