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« Reply #150 on: April 26, 2006, 04:08:31 AM »
Beet1e has a point, IMHO.
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« Reply #151 on: April 26, 2006, 06:41:06 AM »
There's nothing like low poll ratings with an election looming to give politicians the incentive to get their a-into-g on an issue.


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Bush tries to stem rise in fuel prices
 
26.04.06 8.00am
By Rupert Cornwell

WASHINGTON - As his approval ratings hit new all time lows, US President George Bush yesterday moved to try and stem the rise in petrol prices.

In a bid to boost supplies on the market ahead of the northern summer "driving season", Mr Bush is temporarily halting shipments to the national strategic petroleum reserve.

Hs is also taking steps to relax environmental standards on certain types of fuel, and launching a probe into possible price gouging by the big oil companies - whose record earnings and massive pay increases to top executives have only added to public anger.

Fuel prices have been rising worldwide following the hike in the price of oil on global markets and New Zealand motorists have seen significant rises this year.

"Our addiction to oil is a matter of national security concern," the president said in a speech to the Renewable Fuels Association, which advocates alternate energy sources like ethanol.

The country now imported 60 per cent of its oil, he noted, compared with only 25 per cent in the mid-1980s.

Bush was acting to combat prices that have soared above US$3 ($4.73) a gallon - equivalent to $1.25 a litre - in many parts of the country. Fuel prices are contributing to a new low of 32 per cent in his job approval rating, according to a CNN poll.

Bush, trying to stave off a potential election-year problem for Republicans trying to hang on to control of the US Congress, acknowledged that Americans are in for tough times during the summer.

"Energy experts predict gas prices are going to remain high throughout the summer. And that's going to be a continued strain on the American people," he said.


Bush said the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission had urged state attorneys general to vigorously enforce laws against price gouging that may have contributed to rising gasoline prices.


He also gave US oil companies more time to pay back emergency loans from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to put more oil on the market, saying the reserve was sufficiently large and delaying further deposits until fall.


A former Texas oil man who in recent months has advocated curing America of its addiction to oil, Bush was unusually blunt with oil companies enjoying record profits. Exxon had US$36 billion in profits last year and gave a US$400 million retirement package to ex-chief Lee Raymond.


He said they should use some of their largesse to invest in new refineries and researching alternative fuel sources. The fact that no new refineries have been built in 30 years is frequently cited as a reason contributing to soaring gas prices.


Bush called on Congress to take away from the oil companies about $2 billion in tax breaks over 10 years, such as subsidizing research into deepwater drilling.


Bush had signed the tax breaks into law as part of a comprehensive energy bill last year. He said the tax breaks are now unnecessary at a time of "record oil prices and large cash flows."


"Taxpayers don't need to be paying for certain of these expenses on behalf of the energy companies," Bush said.


The president did not, however, endorse a call from some members of Congress for consideration of a windfall profits tax on oil companies, and White House spokesman Scott McClellan said he opposed such a levy.


The "gas crisis" has helped propel Mr Bush's approval rating to the new low, plumbing depths reached among recent presidents only by Richard Nixon at the height of the Watergate scandal, by Jimmy Carter, and briefly by his own father in the months before his 1992 defeat.

Few presidents have tumbled as far as Mr Bush, whose popularity hit almost 90 per cent after the September 11 attacks, and stood at 70 per cent when the US invaded Iraq in March 2003.

Since then, it has been downhill all the way.

Almost a year and a half into his second term, this President Bush has fought his last election, and is thus beyond the direct reach of voters.

The fear in the White House and the Republican high command is that the public will vent their dislike on the next best target: the Republican party at November's mid-term elections.

Loss of control by the Republicans of either the Senate or the House of Representatives - let alone both - would not only kill off what legislative clout remains to this enfeebled White House, but also expose it finally to serious, hostile scrutiny by Congressional committees, on Iraq and other controversial issues.

In another poll this week, 69 per cent of Americans said rising petrol prices have "caused hardship" for their families - compared to just 28 per cent saying they have made no difference.

But as Mr Bush himself acknowledged, yesterday's measures will make little lasting difference - even though wholesale petrol prices dropped in New York by 8 cents a gallon immediately after the announcement.

As with Iraq, he is at the mercy of events beyond his control.

In the case of oil, these are soaring global demand, the row with Iran, and political instability in Nigeria, another major Opec producer.

But the general public, not to mention the Democratic opposition, have little time for such arguments.

Yesterday Harry Reid, Democratic minority leader in the Senate, lashed out at the White House for its failure to promote energy conservation.

Others berated the White House for handing out billions of dollars in exploration and other subsidies to oil companies already brimming with money.

Senator Charles Schumer of New York went even further, promising legislation to break up the biggest companies which, he said, operated an effective price cartel.


"To listen to the president, you'd think that it's the local gas station that's the problem. We all know it's the big oil companies who are causing these massive price increases,"

- INDEPENDENT, REUTERS


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« Reply #152 on: April 26, 2006, 07:23:18 AM »
The next couple of months are going to be a show to behold.
Hide behind a rock and watch. :D
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« Reply #153 on: April 26, 2006, 07:36:28 AM »
Winter always follows Autumn, Rolex.

Aren't we overdue for global recession? Isn't that the Darwinism of the marketplace?

Oil can never last forever. Research into alternatives is only driven by supply/demand/price of oil.

Laz just says "let's cut to the chase".

I'm not sure he's wrong.
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« Reply #154 on: April 26, 2006, 08:04:45 AM »
rolex.... you crack me up... Unless it is doom for America or America should solve the worlds problems by going broke.... you don' t want to hear it.

Don't you live in japan?  What is japan doing to save the world?  They import all their oil...  won't they go under before we do?  as a japanesse you should be tweaking them not us.

"massive investment in alternative fuels"?????  by who?  you think the government?  what has the government ever invented except maybe the A bomb?  The government doesn't have any money...it is our money..  let the private companies meet demand.

Beet... if gas prices are that important to you... and you might have a point consicering how your socialist government is screwing you.... if they are that important then drive a diesel audi.... I don't want one tho.

If they get too bad here then I will buy whatever I need to..

Sorta like my big screen TV... It ain't HDTV.... when there it becomes useless I will throw it away and buy what I need to... meanwhile...getting maybe 10 years of use out of it and watching HDTV prices plumet from what they were when the doom and gloomers said that I had to have one bv last year or so.

Rolex thinks he is being proactive..  but he has no plan... anyone heard his plan?  

Him and beet act like they know what will happen 20 years from now and what demand will be.... at least nashwan gives figures that are only for today and does not project...much..

Government interferance in solar (rebates for junk systems no one would otherwise buy)  has slowed development and is costing us money.... Carter interfering in oil prices caused inflation and recession...  Anyone want to go back to carter like price fixing and that economy?

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« Reply #155 on: April 26, 2006, 05:54:05 PM »
Rolex is from Japan? Dang, by all means then we should follow Japanese path to a brighter future. How long has Japan economy been in bad situation, what, last 15 years or so?

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« Reply #156 on: April 26, 2006, 09:36:05 PM »
I believe Rolex is a Yankee Doodle Dandy that is currently living in Japan.

In short, he's an Amreekan.
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« Reply #157 on: April 26, 2006, 10:19:21 PM »
See Rule #4, #5, #2
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« Reply #158 on: April 26, 2006, 10:21:53 PM »
heeh here is Ann's take on thiS:



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I would be more interested in what the Democrats had to say about high gas prices if these were not the same people who refused to let us drill for oil in Alaska, imposed massive restrictions on building new refineries, and who shut down the development of nuclear power in this country decades ago.

But it's too much having to watch Democrats wail about the awful calamity to poor working families of having to pay high gas prices.

Imposing punitive taxation on gasoline to force people to ride bicycles has been one of the left's main policy goals for years.

For decades Democrats have been trying to raise the price of gasoline so that the working class will stop their infernal car-driving and start riding on buses where they belong, while liberals ride in Gulfstream jets.

The last time the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the presidency was in 1993. Immediately after trying to put gays in the military and socialize all health care, Clinton's next order of business was to propose an energy tax on all fuels, including a 26-cent tax on gas. I think the bill was called "putting people first in line at the bus station."

Al Gore defended the gas tax, vowing that it was "absolutely not coming out" of the energy bill regardless of "how much trouble it causes the entire package." The important thing was to force Americans to stop their infernal car-driving, no matter how much it cost.

And mind you, this was before we knew Gore was clinically insane. Back then we thought he was just a double-talking stuffed shirt who seemed kind of gay.

Democrats in Congress promptly introduced an "energy bill" that would put an additional 25-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline to stop "global warming," an atmospheric phenomenon supposedly aggravated by frivolous human activities such as commerce, travel and food production. This is the Democratic Party. That's their program.

Democratic House Speaker Tom Foley endorsed the proposal on "Charlie Rose," saying: "I'd have a five-cent increase every year for five years. ... But that's not going to happen ... because we've got people who fret and worry that one- or two-tenths of a cent of a gasoline tax is going to cause some revolution at home." So in Tom Foley's universe, two-tenths of a cent is the same as a quarter — another testimonial to the American public educational system.

The Democrats' proposed gas tax did cause a revolution at home, and consequently the Democrats were able to sneak through only an additional 4.3-cent federal tax on gasoline. After tut-tutting the idea that voters would object if the Democrats attempted a huge gas tax increase, Speaker Tom Foley soon became former speaker, and indeed former Congressman Tom Foley.

Gary Hart, another whimsical demonstration of what Democrats think a president should be like, said at the time, "I certainly favor consumption taxes, particularly on energy." Then there's John Kerry, who favored a 50-cent increase in the gas tax in 1994. If he were a rap artist, Kerry's stage name would be "Fifty Cent a Gallon."

Last year, a couple of green "climatologists" at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign were back at it in the journal Science, wheeling out their proposal for a 25-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline as an "insurance policy" against global warming.

Just two months ago, we were being confidently told — on the basis of a New York Times/CBS News poll, so it must be true — that "Americans might OK a gasoline tax hike if it reduced global warming or lessened U.S. dependence on foreign oil." (This poll was wedged in among the 29 polls claiming Americans think we're losing the war in Iraq.) Other results from the Times' "meaningless polls" section: Americans might "OK" a Dennis Kucinich presidency if it meant free ice cream every Tuesday.

How many times do Democrats have to tell us they want to raise the price of gas for the average American before the average American believes them? Is it more or less than the number of times Democrats tell us they want to surrender in the war on terrorism?

It's as if a switch goes off in people's brains telling them: The Democrats can't be saying they want to destroy the lives of people who drive cars because my father was a Democrat, and the Democrats can't be this stupid!

The Democrats' only objection to current gas prices is that the federal government's cut is a mere 18.4 cents a gallon. States like New York get another 44 cents per gallon in taxes. The Democratic brain processes the fact that "big oil companies" get nearly 9 cents a gallon and thinks: WE SHOULD HAVE ALL THAT MONEY!

When the free market does the exact thing liberals have been itching to do through taxation, they pretend to be appalled by high gas prices, hoping the public will forget that high gas prices are part of their agenda.
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« Reply #159 on: April 26, 2006, 10:44:32 PM »
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And mind you, this was before we knew Gore was clinically insane. Back then we thought he was just a double-talking stuffed shirt who seemed kind of gay.


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« Reply #160 on: April 26, 2006, 11:29:52 PM »

 




I drove in Europe last summer again, after 7 years , and i was surprised, Is a huge diference comparing with North American roads, all kind of small cars, the parking spots are soo small and fuel more expensive
   Europe has options for cheap transportation, low MPG ,lot of models to chose on the market, Here in North America, the market is very poor in fuel eficiet vehicles,
 About 50% of the cars/SUVs/vans are powered by diesel engines, much more eficient. They are prepared for an oil crisis,
   Here the biger means safer, Do  we need 6-8 cilinders and 400+ HP, to take our lunchbox to work ?!

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« Reply #161 on: April 26, 2006, 11:35:30 PM »
That would hold up great in an accident.
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« Reply #162 on: April 26, 2006, 11:45:38 PM »
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Anyone else find it ironic that the car ad blurs the background FOR THIS LITTLE PIECE OF **** CAR?
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« Reply #163 on: April 27, 2006, 12:16:03 AM »
I dunno man, I have an Acura TSX which I get 30mpg city and highway by the way I drive it. And I just bought an 06 Civic LX for my wife which gets 40 Highway / 30 city. Owned a 93 Civic S that got 41 mpg. And an 01 Civic before the TSX. Fact is, I havn't owned a car that has gotten less then 30 mpg. But even with this fact, my nuts are squeezed and there are guys who are 10 times worse off them myself. Only saving grace is i'm 100 yards from work so I cut out the driving 95 %.

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« Reply #164 on: April 27, 2006, 12:45:26 AM »
I skipped pages 2-4, so if this was posted already you have my sincere apologies.

As to Katrina related shortages. Oil is a global market, but the local markets are tied together. When one area is short, it pulls from another, creating a higher demand and higher prices. I read recently that about 80% of pre-Katrina GOM production has been restored as of 4-1-06.

Move to oil refined to gasoline. There has been a reconfiguring of refineries to produce ethanol based fuels for the mid-Atlantic states. Those refineries lost production while gearing up to produce this fuel. Our already stretched-to-the-limit refinery output was diminished by this loss of production. There was no decrease in demand. This equals....higher prices.


More on refineries. Each and every state has its own mandated oil 'recipe'. This is a result of, in part, the Clean Air Act of, I think, 1992. Instead of being able to produce one type of gasoline and ship it everywhere in the US, refineries have to specialize production and shipping to meet each state's laws. This adds a tremendous burden to the capacities of our refineries, driving up costs.


These three facts alone are causing pump prices to be much higher than neccessary. Not to mention the huge portion of the Alaskan Reserve that was set aside for oil production that we aren't using. Not to mention the reduction of national refinery production by about 50% from the early 80's. Not to mention the huge increase in global demand for crude oil. Not to mention the current level of tension in the major oil producing regions of the world. Not to mention the $.45 per gallon average tax on gasoline.