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Offline Toad

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« Reply #315 on: May 23, 2006, 11:51:24 AM »
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 I state exactly why you're mistaken, I'm not asserting to _know_ anything.  Atheist agnostic, remember?  So, try again.


You're a confirmed combination "NO/JUST DON'T KNOW" guy?

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« Reply #316 on: May 23, 2006, 12:10:39 PM »
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You've based your belief system on something that is not proven?  


Proven to my satisfaction. I have stated that.
Arguments for the existence of God have failed under scrutiny and logic (again, as I see it), hence the "faith" label.
The lack of my being able to see oxygen with my own eyes doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It has been proven to my satisfaction.
Green men from Mars I state with equal confidence that they do not exist. It has not been proven that they do. Faith is believing that they do exist. If a Green Men From Mars believer wants me to accept it as fact, then they will have to prove it to me. If they say "Prove to me they don't exist!", I'll say, "No thanks, that is your faith, have at it. I'll accept my truths and facts, you accept yours."
I aknowledge that when dealing with a faith based system, it is rather foolish to argue on a fact based level (so call me the fool sometimes).

Now those arguments of faith fall apart under scrutiny.
Creationism (uh-oh, another 1000 post thread right there only to get locked in the end).
Evolution (see above).
Offspring mutation (I mean if we all come from the same relatives)?
Flooding all of Earth killing off all life outside of Noah's Ark by raining constantly for 40 days/nights. Really?
How old is the Earth?
Our solar system?
Our Universe?
Parting of the Red Sea?

That's a start.

I don't have an agenda to kill off any religion as it is faith based in the belief of something existing.

Interesting some of the "Agnostics" on this BBS. You claim that you don't see the proof either way of God's existance, so it is a possibility of the Atheist being right. There is only one truth. We all choose what we accept it as is.
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« Reply #317 on: May 23, 2006, 12:16:13 PM »
Yer making a big leap assuming 'god' is a christian. ;)

I await proof of diety, divinity, and little green men from mars.
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« Reply #318 on: May 23, 2006, 12:18:31 PM »
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Personally I have no idea if there is or isn't a supreme being.

Bronk


So you admit that I, as an Atheist, might very well be correct that there is no God/Supreme Being?

For you to deny even the possibility of my belief being right, puts you out of the "I have no idea if there is or isn't a supreme being." camp.

edit..oops, changed a word...
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« Reply #319 on: May 23, 2006, 12:20:34 PM »
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Yer making a big leap assuming 'god' is a christian. ;)

I await proof of diety, divinity, and little green men from mars.


Naw, I'm playing the odds ;)

BTW, the proof will never be put forward as they can't do so.
The moment it does, is the moment it no longer is faith, but now becomes fact.
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« Reply #320 on: May 23, 2006, 12:23:31 PM »
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Holden, I'll be impressed if you manage to make that particular point understood..


I'd actually be impressed for a true Agnostic to admit that the Atheist might be right.
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« Reply #321 on: May 23, 2006, 12:28:03 PM »
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Technically then both sides are hypocritical. Because neither can prove or disprove .

 


Ohh and I Bow to your Omniscient  SaburoS since it's proven in  YOUR book it must be correct.

Bronk

EDIT: When I say "I don't know" it means just that. There may or may not be a supreme being. That clear enough for you.
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« Reply #322 on: May 23, 2006, 12:31:15 PM »
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I'd actually be impressed for a true Agnostic to admit that the Atheist might be right.


The Atheist may very well be right but alas, there is no proof.

I'm happy to have impressed you.
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« Reply #323 on: May 23, 2006, 12:49:38 PM »
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Ohh and I Bow to your Omniscient  SaburoS since it's proven in  YOUR book it must be correct.

Bronk


About time you got it right!  Hehe. :D

Uhm, actually...what book?
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« Reply #324 on: May 23, 2006, 12:58:33 PM »
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The Atheist may very well be right but alas, there is no proof.

I'm happy to have impressed you.


Almost there. You show your true "belief" hand by stating of no proof possible.
Atheists live in a fact based mindset, not a faith based one.
For one to believe in God, they must take it on faith, not facts.
For the Atheist to not believe in one, it is the lack of facts/proof that drive his belief.
What many are confusing here is that faith = belief. It is a faulty argument.
Burdon of proof is for those that say something exists. That has yet to be done with the Deity thing.
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« Reply #325 on: May 23, 2006, 01:08:53 PM »
SaburoS I have no problem with admitting you might be correct.
How ever you have a problem with me saying you might be wrong.
Just like the religious  have a problem with me saying they might wrong.

Pot... this is kettle.

Bronk
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« Reply #326 on: May 23, 2006, 01:19:36 PM »
Bronk: I say that the Easter Bunny is a real, bipedal creature that walks around on easter and lays cadbury eggs for kids to find.  

YOU prove that I'm wrong.

EDIT: Oh, sadness.  You changed your mind after writing that you disagreed with the assertion that the burden off proof is on the person making the assertion, then deleted your post.  Just to avoid any confusion, here's what you wrote:

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    Burdon of proof is for those that say something exists.


Really where is this law written I'd like to read it.

Bronk[/b]
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« Reply #327 on: May 23, 2006, 01:23:56 PM »
Thats how the damn things keep showing up .
:O :noid

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« Reply #328 on: May 23, 2006, 01:35:11 PM »
My problem with the scientific approach is this.
Take certain foods for example 1st there good for us. then they all of sudden there bad, but wait they're OK again.
We can't explain everything.

And yes I deleted my post I was getting to far to one side of the issue and it was dumb, and not though out. Ohh here is one for you chairboy. Prove to an abortion rights activist that life starts at conception.  Or the right to lifer that it doesn't .  Good friggin luck.  They both are to busy in each others business.

Bronk

EDIT: Being agnostic I can admit that to being wrong. Can you?
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« Reply #329 on: May 23, 2006, 01:43:36 PM »
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SaburoS I have no problem with admitting you might be correct.
How ever you have a problem with me saying you might be wrong.
Just like the religious  have a problem with me saying they might wrong.

Pot... this is kettle.

Bronk


I could be wrong but I don't recall reading:
1) You actually posting that the Atheist might be right.
2) That the believers of God might be wrong.

I have stated that those with faith believe in God as a truth to them. Their faith is so strong that it is good enough to pass as a fact, a truth.
I respect others enough that I will not try to convert them out of their beliefs.
I will defend mine, when questioned though (like anyone else here my guess).

You were saying something about Pot-Kettle?
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