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« Reply #300 on: July 21, 2006, 05:35:56 PM »

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« Reply #301 on: July 21, 2006, 06:47:58 PM »
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so these guys call themselves neo cons?   I'm not sure if I understand the defenition all that well.   There is nothing new about some  conservatives wanting to project power or thinking that the military needs to defend the country no matter where the threat is.

I would probly not read a book writtten by John dean unless I wanted a perspective of the nixon years.   I allways thought that he was a semi bright self serving little weazel.   I can't imagine him having a grasp of anything except his own self interest.

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Not to argue, but I actually worked with (for) John Dean back in the '80's. He is a venture capitalist and bought our company. He was a very engaging man and spoke about the watergate years with anyone who asked (not many did). He even agreed to be interviewed by one of our employee's kids for a school history project on the 70's. I found him to be very nice and scary smart. Mo was still a babe then too.


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« Reply #302 on: July 21, 2006, 07:52:41 PM »
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Not to argue, but I actually worked with (for) John Dean back in the '80's. He is a venture capitalist and bought our company. He was a very engaging man and spoke about the watergate years with anyone who asked (not many did). He even agreed to be interviewed by one of our employee's kids for a school history project on the 70's. I found him to be very nice and scary smart. Mo was still a babe then too.



Gordon Liddy has always had a lot of nice things to say about Dean:lol
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« Reply #303 on: July 22, 2006, 09:01:40 AM »
mt... I find most liberals very engaging and they smile with that little twinkle in their eye as only those who feel superior can... they are very friendly and engaging until....

Until you don't agree with them... then they go bottle rocket in my experianmce... downright foam at the mouth and get pissed.

I doubt that dean would let a peasant see that tho.  He would not get where he is if he did... read some of the things he writes... the bitterness is very apparent.

funked... Now this is getting confusing... according to the site you link.... neo cons are former liberals who still think liberal and want to expand government but are simply different from regular liberals in that they are more hawkish.

The site also has a defenition of "neo liberal"  that is even more confusing and convoluted.   The only difference is that there is no such thing as former conservatives or individuals who become liberals... it doesn't flow that way.

I believe the jews are our allies.  I think we should support our allies.   I believe that the forces that they are facing are barbaric terrorists.  

I don't know if we should be in Iraq or anywhere in the mideast but we probly will have to be someday in any case.   They are easy to whoop now.

I do not want a strong military to equal a strong government.  I don't care if that is a socialist one or a conservative one or one run by mormons... It is all the same to me.

Maybe I don't read... or maybe I simply do discount "facts" by such wonederful sources as you may link....as you say funked but I do understand history and governments and how they morph.   How they build their power at the expense of the individualist and how they are inherantly evil.

Some of the socialists here describe their governmens as a socialist paradise... in most cases it is because getting "free" stuff at others expense is better than the restrictions that don't really apply to them (yet).   So long as only other people are being punished it is a good system.

Neo liberals and neo cons do not exist... they are simply all socialists with slightly different ideas about how to control the citizens.

funked... not saying you are wrong but... What "facts" have you seen me ignore in order to form my worldview?  

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« Reply #304 on: July 22, 2006, 01:20:39 PM »
Ignoring the fact that you think you can perceive the personality of a person better than someone who as actually met him, John Dean is hardly a liberal.

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« Reply #305 on: July 22, 2006, 06:52:19 PM »
C'mon MT just because you knew the guy doesn't qualify you to know more about him.  
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« Reply #306 on: July 23, 2006, 08:58:52 AM »
Back on track:

"I knew the events in the Middle East were big when The New York Times devoted nearly as much space to them as it did to a New York court ruling last week rejecting gay marriage."

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« Reply #307 on: July 23, 2006, 09:08:57 AM »
MT didn't "know" the guy... anymore than I "know" the fighter pilot Carr that I ate dinner with and talked to for an hour.

and...

I know what a 22 rifle is and what a sherman tank is.  I have fired plenty of 22 rifles with hundreds of thousands of rounds in all types... single, thumb trigger, bolt and semi auto...even full auto.   I might be able to speak with authority when talking about em.

I know a little about sherman tanks but only from bits gathered here and there and a couple of books.   I would be hesitant to claim that the few things I have read were the absolute truth on em.

I think this whole neo con thing is a boogey man that might describe 4 or 5 people in the world.   neo lib too.

I would agree that a liberal socialist that is hawkish is a bad thing.

I also say that dean is a pretty sleazy, bitter little worm.   I watched him lie and then lie again and then lie even more to get himself away from jail.   He is not someone I would trust in anything is all.

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« Reply #308 on: July 23, 2006, 10:34:49 AM »
someone forgot their metamucil.

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« Reply #309 on: July 23, 2006, 11:28:24 AM »
At his age dean probly forgets a lot of things.   some rather conviently

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« Reply #310 on: July 23, 2006, 11:41:26 AM »
If I met him, it would be hard calling him "John Dean" and not "John Weenie".  :D
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« Reply #311 on: July 25, 2006, 07:28:43 PM »
First off, authoritarianism is not left, center or right.  All sides can be capable of authoritarian despotism.  Conservatism was the first, then liberalism reacted to it (producing our modern democracies).  Then people thought that liberalism hadn't gone far enough so socialism came along.  All these doctrines are capable of producing genuinely benevolent movements intended to help humanity, and all are capable of producing despotic movements.  

Neo-liberalism vs. Neo-conservatism

These are both essentially the same animal.  Liberalism and conservatism factor into their true operating methods only slightly.  BOTH agree that the advancement of American power should be the foremost goal of American foreign policy, and that a heirarchical order is the right and just form of world order (with America on top of course, cuz they wouldn't accept anything less).

The difference comes down to means.  Neo-libs seek American hegemony through the use of soft power.  Soft power is the carrot, the economic incentives (or just plain buying power weight).  Soft power is the coercive 'scratch my back' that the mafia uses first and foremost.  It's much less invasive than the alternative.  Neo-cons seek American hegemony through the use of hard power.  Hard power is the stick, the military, the gun in your face telling you to do something.  

Both groups are working towards the same objectives and both groups of people shoud equally, and simultaneously, be taken out back and shot many, many times in the heads.  Most people don't realize that they're not competing ideologies, but really cooperative and complimentary.  The Neo-cons strengthen the military and throw it around the world while the Neo-libs force people in third world countries to accept grossly unfavorable trade relations (or other such economic 'deals') to supposedly better their country.  It's something of a good cop/bad cop situation, and when the good cop (supposedly the libs) don't get their way they send in the bad cop (so sign the paper or else face trade embargos).

The conservative and liberal in these terms is disengenuous.  They have nothing to do with the political right or the political center of this country, but rather represent (and are linked directly back to) a small group of individuals who seek to corner American politics to their favor.  They don't care about any of us, regardless what values we believe in.  They care only for their own money, power and control.  

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Conservatives have currently been duped into accepting and promoting the current preparations for a full out survailance/police state, justified in the name of our own 'security'.  This is happening under our noses right now.  Have the liberals been defending us?  NO!  They have been duped into promoting a regime of authoritarian and unneccesary gun control.  It's not about left-right, its about one objective.  They each play a role.  

9 out of 10 despots agree, gun control works!

What would 'true' socialism say about gun control?
"It advocated the abolition of standing armies and proposed the universal arming of the people."
Notes to the communist manifesto, pg 81.  Referring to The Paris Workers' Congress, July 14-20, 1889.

Not everyone trying to control minds and force social control on others are socialists.  Not everyone arguing for small government is a conservative.  The evil is all around us, from all sides, but at the same time, we have friends on all sides too.  

Don't ever let anyone convince you something is good or bad because of talking points.  Look into it for yourself.  It was already posted, but check out the PNAC website here:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
and read some of their opinion papers.  Their mission statement wraps it all up, and scares the crap out of me.  I hope building new nukes, sending our military all over the globe and unconditionally forcing others to our whim scares the hell out of all you as well.  The chairman is calling for us to attack Iran, saying they will love us and come out with open arms to accept us.  Isn't that what these people tried to feed us about Iraq?

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/19/kristol-iran/

Watch the video, check out these criminal organizations, and tell me that you aren't scared for your children's future.
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« Reply #312 on: July 25, 2006, 07:34:36 PM »
Afterthought:

Neo-conservatism can best be summed up as an accumulation of various tributes from across the political spectrum, including (but certainly not limited to) social control, financial consolidation and military hegemony.  Most of us just call this fascism, but this word might make them look bad.  

Did you know that certain founding members of the PNAC have ancestors (ancestors that lived in America) that supported the Nazi movement and even had companies siezed in this country during WW2 that were found to be helping the Nazi war effort?
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« Reply #313 on: July 26, 2006, 12:16:41 AM »
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Did you know that certain founding members of the PNAC have ancestors (ancestors that lived in America) that supported the Nazi movement and even had companies siezed in this country during WW2 that were found to be helping the Nazi war effort?


So ****ing what?
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« Reply #314 on: July 26, 2006, 09:01:43 AM »
Did you know that the founder of the ACLU was an avowed communist?  that he was violently against capitalism and the tenents of the constitution?

As sandie says... so what?  

I am still thinking that this whold neo con and pnac thing is just a couple of guys that the sunday morning pundits don't like.

I don't see any around me... I don't see any democratic party alternatives to Bush or whoever the republicans get to run next time.

I don't see any democrats who are my champions... who escwe the welfare state and defend the second amendment.

There are no alternatives... vote for the republicans no matter what label the pundits put on em.

Better to try to shape the republicans than to try to make the democrats do a 180.

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