Author Topic: 10 Things You'll See In AvA Arena that You Won't See In MA (Read 4284 times)

KONG1 · « **Reply #105 on:** July 17, 2006, 07:39:57 PM »

I never said people should get a thicker skin. I said a thicker skin will lead to greater success in life. The former is telling people what to do, the latter is just an observation and I’ll stand behind it. Do you disagree?

DaPup · « **Reply #106 on:** July 17, 2006, 08:30:47 PM »

I agree that letting things bounce off you rather than letting them upset you will certainly make life easier. But the people who , in real life, constantly try to belittle other people around them generally are not successful in life.
I think the AvA is no better than the MA, same smack talk, vulching, cherry picking and ho'ing. The hardest thing for most players that go in there is the lack of participants. I have thick skin but every time I have gone in there all I could think was that I could get that in the MA where there are actually more than 5 people.

Shifty · « **Reply #107 on:** July 17, 2006, 08:37:28 PM »

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Originally posted by KONG1
I never said people should get a thicker skin. I said a thicker skin will lead to greater success in life. Do you disagree?

No I don't disagree, but I'm not talking about my life. I'm talking about my leisure time, which I spend to get a break from real life.

KONG1 · « **Reply #108 on:** July 17, 2006, 08:52:19 PM »

I contend your leisure time is part of your life and if stuff doesn’t bug you. you’ll enjoy it more.

Shifty · « **Reply #109 on:** July 17, 2006, 08:57:27 PM »

Yes my leisure time is part of my life. Since the antics of a few tend to ruin said leisure time in the AVA...... I have moved to the MA where the whines, and insults are drowned out in the mass of text traffic. You guys have fun doing your thing, and I'll go have fun doing mine.

Grits · « **Reply #110 on:** July 17, 2006, 09:19:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Shifty
Yes my leisure time is part of my life. Since the antics of a few tend to ruin said leisure time in the AVA...... I have moved to the MA where the whines, and insults are drowned out in the mass of text traffic. You guys have fun doing your thing, and I'll go have fun doing mine.

Sadly, I came to the same conclusion about a year ago and moved to the MA. There was a time that if HT would have closed the AvA I would have canceled my account, I flew there exclusively. Now its just not worth the trouble.

KONG1 · « **Reply #111 on:** July 18, 2006, 12:03:41 AM »

Great time in AvA tonight, interesting match up, players switching to even sides, no drama on 200. The majority of the time that's how it is. It takes two to escalate the rhetoric. Maybe the problems you guys had with the AvA wasn't just "everybody else’s" fault.

Peace, K

Shifty · « **Reply #112 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:14:34 AM »

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Originally posted by KONG1
Great time in AvA tonight, interesting match up, players switching to even sides, no drama on 200. The majority of the time that's how it is. It takes two to escalate the rhetoric. Maybe the problems you guys had with the AvA wasn't just "everybody else’s" fault.

Peace, K

Nice try. I had very few problems flying in the AVA. The things I've been talking about were usually being aimed at somebody else , not me. You don't have to be involved in it to see it's stupid.

Skyfoxx · « **Reply #113 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:30:05 AM »

Well said Shifty and an accurate assessment.

mars01 · « **Reply #114 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:56:23 AM »

I have to agree with shifty to a a degree. I leave the smack talk for the BBS and the arenas for the flyin. Unless attacked.

Guys that start getting stoopid on 200 are just that. Take your beating like a man and shut it LOL. Now if a guy is runnin and a little smack will get him to fight that is a degree I guess.

Some people go too far and I can see how that takes the fun out of it for some, especially when the numbers are low.

KONG1 · « **Reply #115 on:** July 18, 2006, 10:41:18 AM »

I agree about it all being “stupid”. I’ll admit that “stupid” communications occur in the AvA. I’m posting to dispel a myth propagated by a few begrudged players who continuously and vehemently denigrate the arena in every thread that tries to promote it.

If “stupid” communications bug you, the amount in the AvA is a fraction of that which occurs in the MA. Fact is there are entire nights even weeks where no channel 200 purse fights occur. That’s right folks, all this moaning and gnashing of teeth is all about what is in reality a rare thing. Face it the dweebfest is in the MA.

I also agree that it’s different when there are only a few players. However it is you choose to fly, you best not be ashamed of it or defensive about it because everybody knows who you are and what you’re doing. There’s no place to hide. Most of the time we know whom we’re fighting by how they’re flying. For example, if you always hang back till everyone’s engaged and pick -everyone will know, if you HO every pass - everyone will know, if you’re not proud of it don’t do it, at some point you will be called on it.

Shifty, bring your crew back some time. I know you got teased for your ‘historically accurate’ flying, but everybody was actually glad to have you guys there. And please feel free to squelch anybody you feel is particularly abrasive (wink wink).

Oldman731 · « **Reply #116 on:** July 18, 2006, 10:45:46 AM »

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Originally posted by KONG1
Shifty, bring your crew back some time. I know you got teased for your ‘historically accurate’ flying, but everybody was actually glad to have you guys there. And please feel free to squelch anybody you feel is particularly abrasive (wink wink).

Agreed.

- oldman

Shifty · « **Reply #117 on:** July 18, 2006, 12:26:32 PM »

Kong.

I appluad your efforts on promoting the AVA. I agree with you that there are some who have nothing good to say about it, and they should be countered.

As for me I wasn't run out. I didn't get tired of things said to me , or really anybody in particular. Purse fights as you call them. (and thats the best description I've heard yet)

Were becoming the norm for a while. Even if not directed at me , I thought they ruined the whole experiance ,,, for me. The worst are the guys who get killed then get on and insult the guy that killed them. I think a 2 minute squelch on dead guys would work wonders for any arena.

All that aside........................ .................. AVA is different. A different crowd with a different attitude flies there now. Then say back in 2001/2002.
The arena now usually promotes small or individual fights. You guys are always talking about great fights that go on between two pilots that last half the night. Theres not a thing wrong with that. Thats what you guys are looking for and you have a place to make it happen.

I couldn't find what I was looking for in AVA any longer since the squad operations have been downplayed in favor of the fight between two air fields. Now this may not be the case but my opinon has been the AVA is the place where people are looking for the perfect dogfight.I'm not knocking the AVA it fills the needs of the guys that fly there. It's also the home of some of the best sticks in the game. It's got a lot of great guys on the staff who work very hard trying to please as many people as possible. You may get more people to stick around if some of the more colorful personalities will throttle back just a bit. Plus you may just change the minds of some of the AVA detractors. Fighting it out on a BBS only has so much effect, plus as we've learned since last night.... May not be in the combatants best interest.

Once I hooked up with 880 Squadron and started flying Special Events , I knew I found a home. The dedicated mission, single life per night thing really appeals to me, and is what I'm looking for in a sim.
I enjoy the squad Monday night ops in MA too. It's fun to just let your hair down and fly , fight, and laugh your butt off. I'll still be in AVA when I need a quick furball fix, I just don't fly there exclusivley anymore.
Best of luck to you guys.

lazs2 · « **Reply #118 on:** July 19, 2006, 08:21:04 AM »

Well... the new MA map is horrible... one of the worst I have seen... amazing how the map guys can figure out a way for 500 people to all hide from each other.

Sooo.... went to the ava.

It had La las and yaks against ki 84'a and niks and 61's.... It had two close fields and it had about 20 people on.

It had action... there were constant fights with a lot of planes but... In only an hour... you knew exactly what you could expect from the enemy..

The allied vs axis thing... the jap planes all did the exact same thing and we all did the exact same thing. You knew exactly how it would turn out because of the abilities of the limited planes you were facing or were available to you.

In my opinion.... it was fun but.... It would have been ten times as much fun if it was not allied vs axis... if you could have chose any plane from the planes available... if ki84's could wing with yaks or lala's and face other ki61, lala, yak, nik combos.... infintely more variety and complexity.

It was fun because it limited the planeset to some sort of close to equality and it was fun because it was close fields with field capture not considered...

It was ruined in my opinion by the whole allied Vs axis thing.

It allways seems that one side in their knows they are in the inferior planes but they just suck it up and do the best they can.

That's fine but it would be better if neither side had to .

Just saying..

Oh... and storch was on and flying allied with no squaddies and we got along fine.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Mugzeee · « **Reply #119 on:** July 19, 2006, 09:58:39 AM »

Lets be realistic. The ava will never see substantial numbers. Why?
Because 99% or better find it boring and lifeless. AH has basically always had an AVA of sorts, and it is very low populated. Why? Because the vast majority isn't interested in Scenario type game play. This is the very reason that i fear the up and coming HTC Game Combat Tour (I think that is what we are calling it these days?) isn't going to do as well as needed to compensate for the work going into it. Although the 50 or so players playing the new game wont really feel lonely because the 200 AI drones will keep them company. Kinda like that blow up party doll i seen in the corner of batfinks living room.