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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #135 on: July 18, 2006, 12:06:19 AM »
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Maybe not, but it is if they are trying to negociate a peace with the people whose land it is.


I'm not sure that the Palestinian leadership wants peace. I'd make a pretty big wager that what they want is ALL of Palestine.

Israel removed the settlers from the Sinai quite some time ago. Now the settlers are gone from the Gaza Strip. Israel's removal of the settlers from those 2 areas shows me they would be willing to remove them from the West Bank also if needed. I dont think that is bad faith, but thats just me. :)
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« Reply #136 on: July 18, 2006, 03:42:17 AM »
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"So 113,829 births a year for Israel verses 1,724,857 for Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. And that isn't even including the Palistinians. Israel isn't and can't win.

Cripes, and this doesn't even touch on the economics."

Some things FYI.
The economical system of the 11 arab countries with 250 million+ inhabitants (same size as the US) is AFAIK about the size of the one in Spain.
Syria fought with Israel, so did Egypt, Israels enemies have been helping each other out economically as well without any gain. Israel has friends too you see, so maybe you should add the economy and birth rate of the USA and UK etc....
And for Palestine, - I think there will never be peace while the Palestinians do not recognize Israel as a state, and are fuelled up in that opinion by that avacado in Iran :D
Maybe that's just me though...
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« Reply #137 on: July 18, 2006, 03:47:39 AM »
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I'd make a pretty big wager that what they want is ALL of Palestine.



Just what is all of Palestine?  There has never been, in the history of man, a country of Palenstine.
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« Reply #138 on: July 18, 2006, 05:22:27 AM »
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Just what is all of Palestine? There has never been, in the history of man, a country of Palenstine.


There has been one called Palestine, though. See for example the first British Mandate report to the LoN, which began:

" When General Allenby's army swept over Palestine, in a campaign as brilliant and decisive as any recorded in history, it occupied a country exhausted by war."

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Israel removed the settlers from the Sinai quite some time ago. Now the settlers are gone from the Gaza Strip. Israel's removal of the settlers from those 2 areas shows me they would be willing to remove them from the West Bank also if needed.


Sinai and Gaza between them amounted to less than 20,000 settlers. The West Bank has about 450,000 (inc east Jerusalem)

The other difference is that Sinai and Gaza were not part of biblical Israel. The religious connection with them was nowhere near as strong.

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Unless some agreement had been negotiated that would have precluded Israel from allowing settlers in the West Bank, I dont think that is *bad faith*.


The Oslo accords committed Israel to recognise the teritorial intergrity of the West Bank and Gaza, and to a final status agreement withing 5 years. Settlement more than doubled after the Oslo accords were signed.
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« Reply #139 on: July 18, 2006, 06:31:44 AM »
when the other side states that your countrymen should all drown in the sea, I think that has a negative effect on any "negotiations" with their "leaders"
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« Reply #140 on: July 18, 2006, 07:15:01 AM »
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I dont think it's bad faith for a country to settle land they have occupied via conquest though.

Through conquest in wars they did not start. I think that is an important point.
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« Reply #141 on: July 18, 2006, 08:19:01 AM »
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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« Reply #142 on: July 18, 2006, 08:44:49 AM »
Unfortunatly it is too long discussion to read. But I have several words to add....


What would US do if every day missiles were falling on NY from Cuba, and killing 20-30 people every day and all the east part of US were sitting in shelters?


What would US do to Cuba? Interesting.....
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« Reply #143 on: July 18, 2006, 08:50:40 AM »
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
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« Reply #144 on: July 18, 2006, 11:28:19 AM »
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Offline Angus

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« Reply #145 on: July 18, 2006, 01:59:32 PM »
Lazs:
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.


Well, Libya manage to lob a rocket at Italy once. Well, Italy is in Nato or?
So, Nato struck AFAIK, From Britain. It was a co-effort RAF and USAF?
Oh dear, bear in mind that the Brits are 0-peeean country.
And the U.S. is US?
Please mind your delicate line of being rude dude....

Anyway, you have a another point. Israel has recently had some 1.200 missiles lobbed at civilian areas, from Lebanon. Imagine the US getting hit with 1200 missiles from Mexico, those mostly aimed at civilian areas while the Mexican army stands idly by....Well, it's just the dissidents who pretend to have Texas you see.....

I guess you'd hit them on the nose ;)

Finally....what do the Russians do as well.....after all they're just another "0-peeean country "
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« Reply #146 on: July 18, 2006, 02:02:29 PM »
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No, I say side-step the thugs, as irrelevant; but I'd rather submit to thugs than become one myself, which is what you advocate.


Dead, there is a long way between a thug and submission.

With enough people in one country who share your view, say in Britain and the USA in the 30's (and there were many), we'd have had Hitler and Tojo as the world bosses. Nice.
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #147 on: July 18, 2006, 02:13:33 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
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Lazs, Whom have you condemned?  Or which anti-american anti-semite have you condemned?

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« Reply #148 on: July 18, 2006, 02:23:25 PM »
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Israeli Response:
*Goldstein's actions were immediately condemned by the Israeli government and the populace in general.
 
*Spokespeople for all of the organized denominations of Judaism denounced his act as immoral.
 
*The Kahane Chai party, to which Goldstein belonged, was outlawed by the Knesset.
 
*The cabinet agreed to take away the weapons of right-wing extremists and put them in administrative detention.
 
*The victims of the shooting received financial compensation from the Israeli government.

Yes, while it was a massacre, the reaction by Israel was a far cry from anything the militant Islams have done. [/B]


Oh I know - but the initial question seemed to be whether or not there had been Israeli terrorism. I know it isn't state sponsored or common, but it has happened.
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« Reply #149 on: July 18, 2006, 02:29:59 PM »
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