Author Topic: HO fighting.... (Read 6361 times)

SkyRock · « **Reply #135 on:** August 11, 2006, 10:18:33 PM »

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Originally posted by g00b
If you want to duel, go to the DA. If you want to HO come to the MA. Simple as that. Don't try to push your dogma on me.

YOU stated that the HO was a valid tactic! Its your foot in your mouth! Don't say stupid watermelon like that unless you are willing to accept how skilless and ignorant you seem if you say it! MA or DA or TA or whatever, you have a choice! You are either going to leanr to fight without stupid idiot tactics, or you are going to be an idiot and brag about it! most in the MA that I see HOing, dop it when they have the advantage! Its about as stupid as it gets. Whats even more stupid is squads like the 31st that HO when they are ganging folks! LMAO!

Masherbrum · « **Reply #136 on:** August 11, 2006, 11:50:54 PM »

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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Just stating some facts, no opinions. For example, Todd, Zaz, and Sky don't belong in the same list.

By saing "there are a few of us left" you entered your self in three lists. Some you don't belong in and some you don't want to be in.

One is a born killer, the other is a profecional cherry picker, and the third is confused. What did you mean when you said "us?"

I never mentioned Todd. But those smilies you use for shades purposes must be PCP laced. You obviously suck because of the need to troll and pretend to be funny. News flash, you aren't. < no ghey smilie needed >

Reynolds · « **Reply #137 on:** August 12, 2006, 04:21:09 AM »

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Originally posted by SkyRock
YOU stated that the HO was a valid tactic! Its your foot in your mouth! Don't say stupid watermelon like that unless you are willing to accept how skilless and ignorant you seem if you say it! MA or DA or TA or whatever, you have a choice! You are either going to leanr to fight without stupid idiot tactics, or you are going to be an idiot and brag about it! most in the MA that I see HOing, dop it when they have the advantage! Its about as stupid as it gets. Whats even more stupid is squads like the 31st that HO when they are ganging folks! LMAO!

I understand he has his foot in his mouth, and at the risk of chewing my own toe-nails, i must ask, like i stated above, are there not situations where the HO is a valid tactic? Is it really that hard not to get HOd? Just dive, pull up, brake in one direction... its no longer a HO! If you are going to fly right at the guys guns, you deserve to be HOd. Never close head on. Plane and simple.

SuperDud · « **Reply #138 on:** August 12, 2006, 06:50:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You obviously suck because of the need to troll and pretend to be funny. News flash, you aren't. < no ghey smilie needed >

bugsbunny is very good. I've fought him and bugbait and they both destroyed me.

toon · « **Reply #139 on:** August 12, 2006, 09:30:07 AM »

easy there skyrock. if a 31st hoed you while you were being ganged doesnt mean we go to the TA and practice hoing. it happened im sure but dont throw the whole squad under the bus. hoing is going to happen but the main complaint i hear on squad vox is that "someone is trying to ho me or someone hoed me". as this must be a recent occurance, since its fresh in your memory i undrstand your bitterness. also,about being ganged, no disrespect intended,seriously, i kinda enjoy multiples v me.3 or less.and who in the ma really expects others to not join in when there is only one eny. i have actually asked other green guys to leave myself and whoever alone to no avail. every sitiuation is different and i'll ho on a few...me v 262 =ho,protecting goon=ho, protecting squaddy in any situation=ho. rather use acm, love a great fight win or lose but sometimes, occasionally a man with a gun gotta do things he dont wanna do.lol.

FiLtH · « **Reply #140 on:** August 12, 2006, 12:10:58 PM »

I avoid the HOs the best I can. Then when I see the people in the area are zooming around in fast cannon planes, I up one myself and make a point to ignore the mid range planes and hunt those types. When doing that I'll HO till the cows come home. The old "How do ya like me now!".

It probably doesnt make them think about grabbing a different type of plane, but it makes me feel good knowing their free reign in that area is over.

Reynolds · « **Reply #141 on:** August 13, 2006, 01:38:35 AM »

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Originally posted by FiLtH
I avoid the HOs the best I can. Then when I see the people in the area are zooming around in fast cannon planes, I up one myself and make a point to ignore the mid range planes and hunt those types. When doing that I'll HO till the cows come home. The old "How do ya like me now!".

It probably doesnt make them think about grabbing a different type of plane, but it makes me feel good knowing their free reign in that area is over.

w00t!

Tumor · « **Reply #142 on:** August 13, 2006, 02:04:35 AM »

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Originally posted by g00b

Get over it. That HO'ing is somehow "wrong", is a fallacy to protect fragile egos, created by those who simply can't get out of the way of my guns.

....it aint that it's wrong! It's just that it's the ultimate "no-skill wussie" shot. Nobody likes to get drilled by a no-skill wussie.

WMLute · « **Reply #143 on:** August 13, 2006, 02:20:43 AM »

just so I can keep up w/ who's is saying what.....

what name does bugsbunny fly under?

anyone? bugs?

p.s. I luv' guys that only ho. What I REALLY like to do is to sucker 'em into a fight, getting on their 6, tossing a few rounds over their cockpit, and watch them flounder around obviously clueless as to what to do outside of a joust. It's like they don't have the slightest idea what to do in an actual "fight" that requires ACM.

I get a kick out of that.

It's the little things that keeps me going....

Reynolds · « **Reply #144 on:** August 13, 2006, 02:39:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
....it aint that it's wrong! It's just that it's the ultimate "no-skill wussie" shot. Nobody likes to get drilled by a no-skill wussie.

Youve obviously never been truely jousted. Tried taking a 109 G-14 with the 30mm head on against a spit 16 at 325mph. THAT takes skill. Its hard enough not to collide, let alone get a clean shot.

SkyRock · « **Reply #145 on:** August 13, 2006, 10:53:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying

I see people complaining about a 1v3 with the three enemies going HO all the time, but I don't understand the anger. I salivate at that opportunity. An enemy who goes HO with me has negated all of his advantages; when severely outnumbered I will take the headon shot whenever the opportunity presents itself
-- Todd/Leviathn

3 things about this lil paragraph:
1. calling someone a HOtwit is not a complaint, its merely a mild insult
2. I never get angry about it at all, as I agree with the last sentence in this your statement
3. As you stated in the last sentence in this paragraph, it negates the HO'ers advantages and therefore is a pretty stupid tactic. Lets say I get HOd 100 times, 99 of those times I dont even get hit, and 1/2 of 1% of those times I just recieve minor damage. It's not like its even effective against peeps who know how to avoid the bullets. I make most of my judgment on the HO by the amount of peeps who do it when they have all the advantages, in which case you can tell the person is not thinking out the advantage and how to completely own the engagement. HO's are a gamble (50%), and well thought out acm's are much more effective and have a higher % of complete success.

SkyRock · « **Reply #146 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:00:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Oldman731
HOs are not usually a very wise tactic, but I think it's silly not to take any shot that presents itself. Quite often I find that this occurs in scissoring, and also when both planes are doing the endless-loop routine. In the former situation, of course, it was the basis of the Thatch Weave (those lazy pathetic loser Navy fliers at the beginning of the war, remember them?).

There's no question, in my mind at least, that a huge number of fliers there - seemed to me like it was well over half - use the HO as their preferred tactic, which is just plain dumb.

- oldman (heh, unless you're flying Il-2s defending a capped base - I had to admit that was fun)

I agree with these statements! I will say that if you throw in some portion of horizontal movement in a scissors fight you can usually get away from that, who got guns around first, moment as well.

SkyRock · « **Reply #147 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:19:05 AM »

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Originally posted by g00b

Get over it. That HO'ing is somehow "wrong", is a fallacy to protect fragile egos, created by those who simply can't get out of the way of my guns.

I would look at you HO'ing me as confirmation that if you tried any other move, you get totally pwned, outflown, arse handed, slappped back to HOdome, weined from innocense, flamebroiled, goose cooked, ....etc. On the other hand, I don't believe I ever said the word "wrong", I said lame, loser, lazy, skilless, and cowardly! It's like playing russian rouhlette in cartoon planes, just a lil pathetic, huh?

SkyRock · « **Reply #148 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:25:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds
Thats ***** retarded. Not all aircraft can accelerate fast enough in a dive to get away. So what, just so the guy doesnt get whiney, i should give him a free kill? I understand that turning tightly can often shake them, but if the guy wants to BnZ, you have every right to counter that maneuver in any way you see fit. I dont understand you guy. I have no qualms with getting HOd. I tried one maneuver, he got lined up, just as i was trying to do, and he pulled the trigger first. Its simple. Its not like the guy vulched you (Which i tend to have a problem with if its done repeatedly by the same guy) You had the opportunity to maneuver out of his line of sight. You didnt do it. You took the guy head on and gave him the perfect shot. You fked up. Dont expect him to feel pity and let you go. He SHOULD take that shot. He earned it fair and square.

1. I wasnt talking about "getting away", I was talking about killing the bnz'er!
2. Again, me calling someone a HOtwit, is not a whine, its a mild insult!
3. If you had training, you'd know there are many manuvers that counter a bounce and do not involve HOing.
4. 99.5% of attempted HO's on me are failed attempts.

SkyRock · « **Reply #149 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:32:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Reynolds
I understand he has his foot in his mouth, and at the risk of chewing my own toe-nails, i must ask, like i stated above, are there not situations where the HO is a valid tactic? Is it really that hard not to get HOd? Just dive, pull up, brake in one direction... its no longer a HO! If you are going to fly right at the guys guns, you deserve to be HOd. Never close head on. Plane and simple.

Question: Do I ever HO?
Answer #1 Yes, If Im not even wheels up at a vulched base!
Answer #2 Yes, if I'm fighting 2+ and I am at top of stall (which leaves plane no E to manuver out of bullets)and have no other options but to pull trigger.
Answer #3 Yes to all bombers!