US judge rules wiretaps illegal

[Rude]

Originally posted by Sandman
"Now, the 73-year-old matronly judge who has spent her career shunning the spotlight is back in the media glare...

Although Taylor is a liberal with Democratic roots and defended civil-rights workers in the South in the 1960s, people who know her say she will follow the law -- not her politics -- in deciding the case.

"She'll rule based on what the law requires, not on what people perceive her biases to be," Southfield lawyer Harold Pope III said last week. Pope is a former president of the National Bar Association, a prominent black lawyers' group.

"She's not going to let anything stand in the way of a proper analysis of the law and the facts," Pope said.

Sure

[cav58d]

Originally posted by lazs2
eagler... I really don't see anything that different from black clad nazi ss troops breaking down the door in the middle of the night and dragging out the occupants and our black clad batfe or swat guys doing it except that ours wear masks and do more shooting and grenade throwing and pet killing..

even when they get the wrong house.  

And why the ninja outfits?   why the masks?  why the covered up badges?   are they afraid of retaliation from citizens?   what citizens?  when was the last time these storm troopers were hunted down and terrorized like they terrorize people.

I am ashamed that such federal police exist.   I say that they make any situation worse.

We all got panicked into authorizing such units and now we have to live with em.  

The BATF costs billions a year and what do they accomplish?   They make things worse.   Reagan tried to disband them but he couldn't because to do so he would have had to find them other work...

No other agency would have them.

No....I don't compare them to the SS.... The SS had the guts to show their faces... even in a country full of resistence fighters.

lazs

You have really got to be kidding me...

[lazs2]

are you saying that all these special police ninja squads are really needed?

Are you saying that the regular police would do such a worse job that we need the ninjas?   Every single city?    

How did they make things better at waco and ruby ridge?   How would regular police not have been able to handle those situations?

lazs

[StarOfAfrica2]

Just for the record, thats not tape on the policeman's badge.  The number has been blanked out digitally so no one could get his badge number from the picture.  Rather like they dont let you put private phone numbers or social security numbers or credit card numbers in a public release photo.

*edit

Also, the SS never wore black uniforms.  You are thinking of the Gestapo.  SS uniforms are grey or olive drab (or camo).

[Edbert1]

Good pickup on the blanked out badge number. But I think it was to avoid embarassment, the guy's gangsta mask is covering his eyes!

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Also, the SS never wore black uniforms.  You are thinking of the Gestapo.  SS uniforms are grey or olive drab (or camo).

You're thinking of the Waffen-SS, the gestapo was the SS also, the police branch, and they wore all black uniforms. Just like the BATF did until it became a political thing, then they switched to dark blue.

[Eagler]

So you'd go arrest the leaders of your local gang,mafia or drug lord without protecting your identity and not fear retribution on you or your family?

Some of you sound paranoid to the almost crazy level

and all this over someone listening in on oversea calls to known terror groups or its affiliates ... lol

[lazs2]

who is paranoid?   I am not the one dressing up in black and wearing a mask and taking 20 guys to take down one wino.

I could see it if there were roving gangs of drug lords and crime bosses taking out swat guys but...  it don't happen.

No swat members have ever been hunted down and killed by "drug lords"

Hell... truth is... like most police... swat and these ninjas won't even go into bad neighborhoods as a rule.

My point is that if you let em wear masks and let em wear all black it is bount to affect their attitude....

In a VERY negative way.

lazs

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by cav58d

It also really ticks me off when people accuse the NSA agent's of illegally listening into calls, or just intruding on your personal life...In my opinion it's no different then slapping a solder in the face...

[/b]Silliest statement I've read in a while, congrats.

Ya see, just like the military, for the most part you dont get people joining the NSA, or any government agency for that matter unless they want to be there...Unless they believe in the cause...

[/b]That's what we're worried about!!!  

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Eagler
So you'd go arrest the leaders of your local gang,mafia or drug lord without protecting your identity and not fear retribution on you or your family?

If you are afraid to do the job, then don't take the job

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Sixpence
If you are afraid to do the job, then don't take the job

joke right ...? hard to tell with some of you

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by Sixpence
If you are afraid to do the job, then don't take the job

"The job" has nothing to do with arresting drug-lords or eliminating the mafia.

See? Drug lords and the mafia are good for business if your business is consuming vast quantities of tax dollars to carry out the "war on (insert evil du-jour here)" and building an empire of employees, submachineguns, and black SUVs. Why would you want to eliminate whatever thing you have a war on? If you did then your funding could be cut.

Now if you constantly do small raids on suburban households and burn them to the ground, or shoot teenagers in the back, and kill fido or little old ladies getting out of the shower (all documented antics of your BATF) then you can say that the errors were the fault of insufficient training and get your budget increased. On top of that the field commanders who ordered the hit, get to retire early with full pensions and get granted immunity from future prosecution. What a bargain!

Before you get me wrong, I fully support the LEOs out in the field. It is their political leadership and sponsors I object to. Much like the typical social-worker who sincerely cares about helping the poor, I object to their political leadership who gain power and wealth not by reducing the number of poor but from actually increasing the number of poor.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Edbert1
"The job" has nothing to do with arresting drug-lords or eliminating the mafia.

See? Drug lords and the mafia are good for business if your business is consuming vast quantities of tax dollars to carry out the "war on (insert evil du-jour here)" and building an empire of employees, submachineguns, and black SUVs. Why would you want to eliminate whatever thing you have a war on? If you did then your funding could be cut.

Now if you constantly do small raids on suburban households and burn them to the ground, or shoot teenagers in the back, and kill fido or little old ladies getting out of the shower (all documented antics of your BATF) then you can say that the errors were the fault of insufficient training and get your budget increased. On top of that the field commanders who ordered the hit, get to retire early with full pensions and get granted immunity from future prosecution. What a bargain!

Before you get me wrong, I fully support the LEOs out in the field. It is their political leadership and sponsors I object to. Much like the typical social-worker who sincerely cares about helping the poor, I object to their political leadership who gain power and wealth not by reducing the number of poor but from actually increasing the number of poor.

What does that have to do with wearing a mask? Our state and locals do raids, they don't need masks

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by Sixpence
What does that have to do with wearing a mask? Our state and locals do raids, they don't need masks

Don't ask me. I have no idea why federal cops don't behave rationally like local LEOs usually do.

For example the local county sheriff knocked on the door of the branch davidian "compound" and was let in a few days before the BATF pulled up, shot a caged dog, and opened fire through a closed door. The sheriff was wearing a uniform and was armed, but not with a ski-mask and an MP5.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Edbert1
Don't ask me. I have no idea why federal cops don't behave rationally like local LEOs usually do.

For example the local county sheriff knocked on the door of the branch davidian "compound" and was let in a few days before the BATF pulled up, shot a caged dog, and opened fire through a closed door. The sheriff was wearing a uniform and was armed, but not with a ski-mask and an MP5.

My response was to eagler, who justified the ski masks cause they are afraid of the bad guys hurting them

[Maniac]

Originally posted by lazs2
who is paranoid?   I am not the one dressing up in black and wearing a mask and taking 20 guys to take down one wino.

I could see it if there were roving gangs of drug lords and crime bosses taking out swat guys but...  it don't happen.

No swat members have ever been hunted down and killed by "drug lords"

Hell... truth is... like most police... swat and these ninjas won't even go into bad neighborhoods as a rule.

My point is that if you let em wear masks and let em wear all black it is bount to affect their attitude....

In a VERY negative way.

lazs

Heres fascism for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lJxf6iLbsk&mode=related&search=