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« Reply #90 on: August 19, 2006, 09:06:24 AM »
have to agree with rolex on this.. it is the "war on (fill in the blank)" industry.   It is a very thinly vieled plot to spend our money and grow our government with no result other than that we get more broke... the government gets bigger and we lose more freedoms.

I also agree with edbert in that I am not a Bush hater.   I don't like the guy but he was and is the best choice I could have picked.... he has done some good things that were important in the extreme and his opponent would have been 100 times worse....

can you imagine getting 2 more liberal supreme court judges?  Can you imaginge a country where firearms manufacturers can be sued out of existence because they are honest and make the best products in America?  Can you imagine the simpering toady kerrie would have appointed to the UN?   What kind of feelings would abandoning the kuait's and iraqi's have engendered?

But....  I don't want him to grow our government or take our freedoms.  I don't like this judge.  I don't care if my phone is tapped all that much but... the ruling is correct....

Let all these high paid army of alphabet soup lettered secret police that we have get off their fat butts and out of the office and do some real police work.   Get rid of about 3/4 of em based on amount of work done for the money and roll all the domestic ones into one agency... federal marshals say..

let no policeman in the U.S. wear a black SS outfit and a mask ever again.

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« Reply #91 on: August 19, 2006, 09:53:36 AM »
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let no policeman in the U.S. wear a black SS outfit and a mask ever again.

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again??when did our cops ever dress in SS drag??

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Re: Re: Re: Re: A rather unusually cognizant Bush quote
« Reply #92 on: August 19, 2006, 11:35:04 AM »
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http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWVlOGNiZmIyMmZkYTg2OGFiYzM3ZGU4Nzc0MjFjNzQ=


Does FISA authorize surveillance without a court order?

Yes. In general, the Justice Department may engage in electronic surveillance to collect FII without a court order for periods up to one year. 50 U.S.C. § 1802. There must be no "substantial likelihood" that the intercepted communications include those to which a U.S. person is a party. § 1802(a)(1)(B).

Such electronic surveillance must be certified by the Attorney General and then noticed to the Senate and House intelligence committees. § 1802(a)(2). A copy of the certification must be filed with the FISC, where it remains sealed unless (a) an application for a warrant with respect to it is filed, or (b) the legality of the surveillance is challenged in another federal district court under § 1806(f). § 1802(a)(3). Common carriers must assist in the surveillance and maintain its secrecy. § 1802(a)(4).

In emergencies, the Attorney General may authorize immediate surveillance but must "as soon as practicable, but not more than twenty-four hours" later, seek judicial review of the emergency application. § 1805(e).

http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terrorism_militias/fisa_faq.html

(f) Emergency orders
Notwithstanding any other provision of this subchapter, when the Attorney General reasonably determines that—
(1) an emergency situation exists with respect to the employment of electronic surveillance to obtain foreign intelligence information before an order authorizing such surveillance can with due diligence be obtained; and
(2) the factual basis for issuance of an order under this subchapter to approve such surveillance exists;
he may authorize the emergency employment of electronic surveillance if a judge having jurisdiction under section 1803 of this title is informed by the Attorney General or his designee at the time of such authorization that the decision has been made to employ emergency electronic surveillance and if an application in accordance with this subchapter is made to that judge as soon as practicable, but not more than 72 hours after the Attorney General authorizes such surveillance. If the Attorney General authorizes such emergency employment of electronic surveillance, he shall require that the minimization procedures required by this subchapter for the issuance of a judicial order be followed. In the absence of a judicial order approving such electronic surveillance, the surveillance shall terminate when the information sought is obtained, when the application for the order is denied, or after the expiration of 72 hours from the time of authorization by the Attorney General, whichever is earliest.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001805----000-.html
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« Reply #93 on: August 19, 2006, 11:46:38 AM »
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again??when did our cops ever dress in SS drag??

I'm guessing he refers to folks dressed like this:


Looking closely I wonder how this well-armed-and-equiped (at your expense) home-grown-Nazi-wanna-be can even see!

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« Reply #94 on: August 19, 2006, 12:34:07 PM »
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I'm guessing he refers to folks dressed like this:


Looking closely I wonder how this well-armed-and-equiped (at your expense) home-grown-Nazi-wanna-be can even see!


Hey, lets reduce the "at your expense" part.
This should be cheaper: :aok



He's no nazi and I'm sure he'll do just as good or even better than the fellow above given the same situation. :rofl

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« Reply #95 on: August 19, 2006, 12:53:48 PM »
Notice how the badge number is covered with tape? wonder why they do that?:)

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« Reply #96 on: August 19, 2006, 01:03:31 PM »
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Notice how the badge number is covered with tape? wonder why they do that?:)

shamus


The black band that covers many police badges is known as a mourning crepe, shows the world that the police person wearing it is in solidarity with their slain colleague.

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« Reply #97 on: August 19, 2006, 01:06:48 PM »
Ah I knew there was a good reason:)

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« Reply #98 on: August 19, 2006, 04:11:25 PM »
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Notice how the badge number is covered with tape? wonder why they do that?:)

shamus


I'm sure it is for their own protection as they round up the jews and shove them into the ovens ..

wow - you guys are stretching here - comparing our swat teams to SS troops
maybe you should study the history of the nazi SS before you continue to look so foolish
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« Reply #99 on: August 19, 2006, 06:35:36 PM »
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It also really ticks me off when people accuse the NSA agent's of illegally listening into calls, or just intruding on your personal life...In my opinion it's no different then slapping a solder in the face......


And in my opinion any one who allows this kind of erosion of our civil liberties is spitting on the graves of all those soldiers who died for them.

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« Reply #100 on: August 19, 2006, 08:09:20 PM »
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I'm sure it is for their own protection as they round up the jews and shove them into the ovens ..

wow - you guys are stretching here - comparing our swat teams to SS troops
maybe you should study the history of the nazi SS before you continue to look so foolish



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« Reply #101 on: August 19, 2006, 08:37:07 PM »
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"In 1984, Taylor banned nativity scenes on municipal property in Birmingham and Dearborn in ACLU lawsuits."


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« Reply #102 on: August 19, 2006, 10:57:47 PM »
Sandy, did you catch my reply?
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« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2006, 03:12:05 AM »
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Echelon has been around for decades so this nothing really new



From what I have read about echelon, in the past,  the NSA was forbidden from using it domestically to eaves drop on Americans. A way around that little impediment was for the Brits to use echelon to keep tabs on the US and pass on anything relevant to the NSA.

It looks like the NSA may have cut out the middle man (the Brits) by plugging echelon directly into the American telcos.

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« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2006, 08:52:27 AM »
eagler... I really don't see anything that different from black clad nazi ss troops breaking down the door in the middle of the night and dragging out the occupants and our black clad batfe or swat guys doing it except that ours wear masks and do more shooting and grenade throwing and pet killing..

even when they get the wrong house.  

And why the ninja outfits?   why the masks?  why the covered up badges?   are they afraid of retaliation from citizens?   what citizens?  when was the last time these storm troopers were hunted down and terrorized like they terrorize people.

I am ashamed that such federal police exist.   I say that they make any situation worse.

We all got panicked into authorizing such units and now we have to live with em.  

The BATF costs billions a year and what do they accomplish?   They make things worse.   Reagan tried to disband them but he couldn't because to do so he would have had to find them other work...

No other agency would have them.

No....I don't compare them to the SS.... The SS had the guts to show their faces... even in a country full of resistence fighters.

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