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« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2006, 07:26:21 AM »
I am a tireless foe of the GLSEN organization, Gay and Lesbian PTA organizations and the like in Broward County Florida:

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I have no problem with athiests, except when they attack other belief systems or try to portray themselves as more consequential than other belief systems regarding the existance of "GOD."  I defend the civil rights of atheists.

 I don't know why someone would attempt to link the two, except to further an agenda.


Still,  correlations relating to politics can be made, and what those correlations might mean can be discussed, but somehow I don't think it would be very productive here.
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« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2006, 07:58:35 AM »
"Some will tie in the (ok our) run away media with a very strong leftward slant.
I've seen just this argument and I'm inclined to think You have too.
The claim would be, will be, is? Most of the media is inclined to look the other way or even help................."

To me which way the media is biased is another like expecting schools to be right wing/christian. They are the way they are, your not going to change it.

Comes back to the old chesnut, "Only believe 1/10 of what you hear, 1/4 of what you read, and 1/2 of what you see"

You need to weigh every sentence in your head as your reading. Is this plausable? Probable? Can it be substanciated? Does it ring true? Or does it smell like horse droppings? What does the writer hope to gain? What proof does he offer?  The difference between real journalism and rabble rousing lays in the answers to these and other questions.

If you stand up in a crowded movie theater and yell fire you can be held liable for resulting damages. In spite of your "freedom of speech" You are expected to use it honestly, and considering consequences.

Our current media  is in no way held accountable for what it puts out.
They let anyone yell fire in a crowded theater,  indeed it happens every day.
Like a runaway train there is no one at the controls. If there was the article you wish to discuss would never have seen daylight. (which is my point btw)


Snip "I find myself somewhat in disagreement with you on the education portion of your answer, the deffinition, that you seem to pose is what I have the most trouble with. That and the facts pointing to the steady dumbing down of our young people. The SEEMING failure to teach, to give our young people the basic tools such as reading, etc........"

Part of what your bringing up has nothing to do with the education system. And has everything to do with todays parents & children.  It in no way reflects on the topic, that the education system has been liberalised.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can NOT make him drink.
You can put a child in school, but you can NOT make him want to learn.
That has to be accomplished by parents and the child itself.

I will say that not letting teachers disiplene children that need it has made this problem huge, epidemic in size. We are reaping what we have sowed, and will continue to do so.

Snippage  
As to descended on the schools, ROFLMAO.
Change has ALWAYS happened through the education system.
Thats what its there for, thats its reason for existing.
So now a minor change is happening they someone doesn't agree with.
Yet if you gave them the chance they'd do the exact same thing only in their favor. Can anyone say double standard?

Schools, colleges & university's have always been on average more liberal than the rest of the country at any given point you want to pick. Its the way it is, the way its always been. Tis the nature of the beast, so get over it.
Sniippage

Exactly what part of this do you disagree with wrag? You didn't exactly say.
The fact that Colleges & University's have always been harbours for the Liberal? Why do you think they call them "Liberal Arts" ???

Or the fact that change tends to come from the Universitys and trickles down through society? Again proveable if your willing to dig. All the way back to the founding of this country!

No I'm not accusing you of taking a side Wrag. I mean exactly what I said. That is no one seems to want to play this particular game with you, & I wonder why. Gee, you suppose they've played this game before?

Maybe they think you don't play fair? Or just don't like the rules you play by.

Either way its no big deal her. Beats going outside to rake leaves & get ready for winter.

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« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2006, 09:05:50 AM »
Of course the article is one sided and very generalized but...

No worse than the litany of hate and depression that chair spews about the theists.

It also contains some general truths in that athiesm is the choice of the left and the socialist.

I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't do... not the thiests and..... for sure not... the athiests socialists.

I see athiesm as a mostly socialist movement with that as an agenda.  the article at least points that out.

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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2006, 09:20:03 AM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
No worse than the litany of hate and depression that chair spews about the theists.
Cite some examples of hate I've "spewed" and I'll retract it, that has never been my intention.  I'll need specific examples.
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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2006, 09:22:13 AM »
look at your latest why I hate christians thread...  while you yourself don't make the accusations.... you let the link do it.  you don't agree with the link?

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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2006, 09:37:23 AM »
I didn't see any christian bashing in that link.  You're talking about the YouTube movie, right?  Show me hatred in there and I'll post to the thread and be very clear about my disapproval of that.  I stand behind my words, I respond to criticism, and I fess up when I've made a mistake.
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2006, 10:32:41 AM »
Lost cause wrag but I give ya an A for effort. :aok

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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2006, 12:01:20 PM »
Looks like some propoganda to me, in fact, it's related more to Pravda from the Communist days than the author realises..

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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2006, 04:43:43 PM »
Anyone care to answer the following?

Question:  What is pattern analysis..................... ....
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2006, 04:54:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Delirium
"Darwin! Save me!"  

"... wait, I suppose I'm not strong enough to survive."


:rofl

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« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2006, 06:16:32 PM »
wrag,

Good of you to try to stimulate discussion, but that article is so over the top and baseless that I'm not even going to touch on it.  That woman has no idea what she's talking about.  I wonder if she's ever really met an atheist.  

Misinformation like that is why atheists are forced to defend themselves, as in the other thread that has gotten so long.  Take a dilusional political perspective based on nothing but lies, combine it with a dilusional religious perspective based also on lies and you get that crap.

Since when have atheists been telling others what to believe?  Certainly won't see them in shirt sleeves knocking on your door!
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« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2006, 08:07:08 PM »
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
wrag,

Good of you to try to stimulate discussion, but that article is so over the top and baseless that I'm not even going to touch on it.  That woman has no idea what she's talking about.  I wonder if she's ever really met an atheist.  

Misinformation like that is why atheists are forced to defend themselves, as in the other thread that has gotten so long.  Take a dilusional political perspective based on nothing but lies, combine it with a dilusional religious perspective based also on lies and you get that crap.

Since when have atheists been telling others what to believe?  Certainly won't see them in shirt sleeves knocking on your door!


:rofl :rofl :rofl

OK

Wasn't trying anything in the stance department.  

I neither agree nor disagree with the article.
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2006, 08:09:13 PM »
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Originally posted by Hawco
Looks like some propoganda to me, in fact, it's related more to Pravda from the Communist days than the author realises..


:rofl

Like the right has anything over the left here?????

The entire point of this post has been pretty much ignored IMHO.

I repeatedly said I neither agree nor disagree with the article.

The article was NOT the point!
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2006, 08:25:11 PM »
IMHO so much is being ignored here..................  

IMHO some of it is actually valuble knowledge, AKA real information.

Discussion was the point of this post.  I was NOT taking a stance for OR against the article.

I have to say, from my viewpoint, I saw very little discussion, or perhaps NONE is a more accurate statement, of what I call discussion in the replies posted.

I suppose I could go back through each post and express my appreciation for those that actually tried to discuss.  With far too many of the replies I found myself picturing the individual posting with their nose in the air lookin down up this lowly, and possibly scum of the earth, person :rofl .

Most, the majority, posted attacks and name calling.  Seems closed minds are not just on the right?  Totally missing the point of this post AND some very interesting things were, as a result, passed right over, AKA thrown into the dust.

Anyone read Tsun Tzu?  

The Go Rin No Sho?

Who is (can't speel it right but the pronounceation is) me-she  lao-sue?

Ever watched "Dirty Dancing"?

How about "Jungle to Jungle"?

Both Adams family moives?

Is there a connection between these 4 films?

Is there a connection between me-she lao-sue and these 4 films?

Again...........

anyone care to define .............. pattern analysis?
« Last Edit: October 11, 2006, 08:32:59 PM by wrag »
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2006, 08:43:31 PM »
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
wrag,

Good of you to try to stimulate discussion, but that article is so over the top and baseless that I'm not even going to touch on it.  That woman has no idea what she's talking about.  I wonder if she's ever really met an atheist.  

Misinformation like that is why atheists are forced to defend themselves, as in the other thread that has gotten so long.  Take a dilusional political perspective based on nothing but lies, combine it with a dilusional religious perspective based also on lies and you get that crap.

Since when have atheists been telling others what to believe?  Certainly won't see them in shirt sleeves knocking on your door!


You may be talking about American Atheists not telling folks what they can or can't believe but worldwide Atheists have a bloody history of doing just that. In regards to American Athiests there's still the ACLU and others mentioned that would deny a person's right to free speech just because it is religious in nature.