martial arts

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Silat
They let girls do martial arts???  

               

Les

[Nilsen]

Blocking then fisting... nice

[Leslie]

Shoulda known....thanks, I think.



Les

[lazs2]

getting a divorce is the best diet to lose weight and gain muscle mass.

Any martial arts that don't involve sparring with someone and actual striking is no good but... pulling punches while sparring is simply gaining really bad habits, worse than not hitting at all.

and no... most criminals do not have guns in America.  

Running is best.  I can't run.   boxing works but I have slowed down and am really out of practice..  You can talk your way out of most and.... the ones you can't talk your way out of... you can talk to distraction while you pull your gun.

sometimes... there really is nothing you can do but hope for the best.

lazs

[Angus]

"getting a divorce is the best diet to lose weight and gain muscle mass."

Hehe, depends on the wife

[Dace]

I think someone already metione this, and again one may not consider it a "martial art", but for self-defense I would look up Krav Maga. It's the fighting form that they teach in the Isreali armed forces, where anything, and I mean anything, goes. Render your opponent harmless the fastest and easiest way possible.

[Nilsen]

Krav Maga or variations of it are used by most armed forces and police.

[storch]

Originally posted by lazs2
getting a divorce is the best diet to lose weight and gain muscle mass.

Any martial arts that don't involve sparring with someone and actual striking is no good but... pulling punches while sparring is simply gaining really bad habits, worse than not hitting at all.

and no... most criminals do not have guns in America.  

Running is best.  I can't run.   boxing works but I have slowed down and am really out of practice..  You can talk your way out of most and.... the ones you can't talk your way out of... you can talk to distraction while you pull your gun.

sometimes... there really is nothing you can do but hope for the best.

lazs

that pretty well sums up what's wrong with most dojos.  ours is full contact on days when we practice kumite.  I say "we" figuratively since I no longer spar the kids.  parents who bring their kids are warned that if they participate in fighting they will be hit, often times hard.  needless to say we are a small group of practitioners but the kids come away with with a lot of self confidence and can hit as well take hits.

here in florida we are seeing far fewer armed crimes, as many of you know we are within our rights to respond with deadly force if we feel in any way threatened by any individual.

oddly you can still be in a lot of legal trouble for a being involved in a fistcuff.

[dmf]

Originally posted by Nilsen
"thankfully" its not quite the same here dmf. Those that use guns are mostly those that set out to murder someone or rob a bank. Gang members also use guns but almost exclusivly against other gangs and not the public. The average nut on the street has knifes if he is armed. Bruglars are almost never armed with anything but a crowbar.

I wanna move there, here.
In America most criminals have guns, the guy I'm dating said that most don't want to shoot you unless they have to, iut its the rest of them that I worry about.

[Holden McGroin]

I am a chain belt in Kung Fu. Bruce Lee was my teacher. Watch this. Woop! HAA! Agai! Woop! Woop! Agai! Ayahhhh! Woop! Iguh! Hiya! Woo! Woo! Ha! Ha! Woop! Agai! Bin! Ha! Haaaaaaaaaa... Watah! Tidah! That's called the quart of blood technique. You do that, a quart of blood will drop out of a person's body."  

[JB88]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin

lol

[Leslie]

Yes, you can get in legal trouble if you hurt someone and it becomes known you have studied a martial art.  Advice for the average person who wants to learn some self defense and get in shape. Do not train under someone who encourages trying out the martial art in street brawls.  Example of a bad instructor is the guy in the movie Karate Kid, who instructed the "Cobra Kai" dojo.  Stay away from "chain store" dojos that require contracts.  Check out local universities' continuing education programs, or the Y.M.C.A.  

Beginner training usually is very intense to weed out anyone there who wants to learn a martial art for nefarious purposes.  Think of getting a black belt in no less than 4 years, about like a college degree.  Like everything, you get out what you put in.  Best to go at your own pace, far as advancing.  I usually waited for my instructor to indicate when I was ready for a test.  

Couple stories:
One of the women who was training with our group woke up one night with a would-be rapist holding a knife to her throat.  She had been training about six months.  She said to herself, "This isn't going to happen to me," and with that pushed the guy off her and literally kicked him out the window he came in.

A guy who had been training about six months pulled over to help out what he thought was a stranded motorist.  He was attacked with a chain and successfully defended himself.  Another guy, a green belt (about 9 months training) was driving and motioned over by a trucker...road rage incident I suppose.  The trucker came up to swing and the green belt knocked him out.

Karate works through the element of surprise.  It's not intended as a sustained action, in other words, stun and run for non-fighters.  Some of the guys in our class who were already street fighters began Karate to learn self control.  It mellowed them out.  They didn't need a martial art for self defense.




Les

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Leslie

Beginner training usually is very intense to weed out anyone there who wants to learn a martial art for nefarious purposes.  Think of getting a black belt in no less than 4 years, about like a college degree.  Like everything, you get out what you put in.  Best to go at your own pace, far as advancing.  I usually waited for my instructor to indicate when I was ready for a test.

The Martial Art i have studied has another but just as effective approach to weeding out the "bullies". We spend the first 3-6 months teaching mostly stances, breathing and blocking and one defencive kata. The guys (or girls) looking for action or to learn how to kick and hit quickly tire of this and quit witin that period. They usually end up in Kickboxing.

There is not a minimum time frame for handing out the backbelt, but since you cant skip belts and you can only graduate from blue and up every full year when the founder of the sport gets to norway it naturally limits itself. You learn the katas needed to graduate only after you have mastered those on the previous level too. Even if you could graduate whenever you wanted its too difficult to do it in less than 4-5 or maybe six years depending on how quick you learn.

[storch]

nilsen, that's the credible way to bring students along.  the tougest belt our students earn is the yellow belt.  as you say nilsen the first 6 months or so are spent learning breathing techniques and the basics with strong emphasis on foot and hand positioning for the basic kata. we also teach falling forward and backward during this period.  there is also strong emphasis on fall technique because the yellowbelt test isn't taken on the tatami but outside of the dojo in the parking lot and the student must demonstrate his falling technique on asphalt and concrete.

the falling techinue which I learned so long ago served me very well ten years ago.  I was riding my bicycle for exercise at night, a passing truck clipped my handlebar with his mirror.  my reaction took me off of the asphalt onto the shoulder where there was a deep indentation which caused me to stop suddenly sending me over the handle bars.  I rolled into the fall and it wasn't too different from practice in the dojo only a lot faster so I rolled twice and came up on my feet unhurt.  the bike had the front forks bent back so far they had to be replaced along with the front wheel.

[Nilsen]

Falling is something i practise every friday and saturday outside my local pub.

j/k


Its imortant to learn how to fall. Learning to fall also gives you better balance. The last junior class i had were not a pretty sight. I firmly belive kids nowadays have worse balance than when i had my first class back in 1990.

I blame indoor activities and consoles. When teaching juniors we also include 10 minutes of playtime before and after each class to get them abit more settled and ready to take in some info and not go all over the place. The last class also had abit less creativity when playing with their fellow students than my first class.