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straffo · « **Reply #150 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:11:56 AM »

I'll use the old medical adage :

Prevention is better than medication.

lukster · « **Reply #151 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:29:57 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
I'll use the old medical adage :

Prevention is better than medication.

Not if it means cutting off your feet to prevent bunions.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #152 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:31:15 AM »

Boy, ain't that the truth straffo.

Here is a question for all of you. How do you know all these experts actually have a handle on all the nuances which make up our environment?

If you assume they actually do have a handle on all the influential items which compromise our environment, then why it is there are so many conflicting reports?

I will fall back to the position, we are too ignorant to be able to accurately assess our environment. And really ignorant as to what our environment needs. And if by some miracle someone actually manages to get a handle on all the data which comprises oue environment, it will be too late to do anything about it.

Or, if we did try to do something about it, we could make it all worse. Here is an analogy which seems appropriate to my point. You are piloting a single engine aircraft. Suddenly you realize something is vibrating, What do you do?

Now, to put this in proper context. That is all the information you have to go on. What are the odds of you making the right choice if you have no more information than that? And could you have made a better assessment if you had caught this problem earlier. Like on the ground during checks?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #153 on:** January 30, 2007, 07:44:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
But why do those "slanted" videos happen to be entirely U.S.?
Why not Swedish, or British, or German?

They are Canadian...

lazs2 · « **Reply #154 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:10:59 AM »

angus... being lied to about man made global warming does not bother you? Did you read the link gunston posted or even his post? How do you feel about that?

bustr.. I agree.. I have been watching the U.N. for years and their power grab.. obviously they need to establish a taxation program to fund their world government grab. Real shame the socialists got rid of John Bolton... best repe to the U.N. we ever had... they will probly send a liberal black woman socialist in his place...

straffo... the models show that all women will develop breast cancer within 20 years.... You don't cut off their breasts at puberty to solve the problem.. the models show that tea may have a significant effect... you don't ban tea for women... My model shows that the stress of voting has a "significant" effect on breast cancer... we have to stop them from voting RIGHT NOW.. there is no time to confirm my studies... millions will die while you sit on your hands. We can stop them from voting now and I will set up a research program in the meantime... A couple billion a year ought to do it for a start.

Unless you hate women?

lazs

straffo · « **Reply #155 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:31:08 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
Not if it means cutting off your feet to prevent bunions.

No need to be so extreme

It's just applied common sense ,for example , if instead of using my car to buy my baguette* I use my bike there is some benefit :
it's better for my health
I don't waste gazoline and so generate less polution in the long run (even if it's negligible repeat it hundred time it became a lot less negligible )

*obvious example

no ?

lazs2 · « **Reply #156 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:32:10 AM »

Then do it to save gas money and to get the exercise but don't tell us you are saving the planet cause you are not.

I certainly do not want to give the U.N. money based on them saving the world. that is what is really going on here. They have proven to not be effective in anything else they do so they are casting about blindly for some mission to give them money and power.. global disarmament of humans and man made global warming are their latest and... both are rife with lies.

lazs

straffo · « **Reply #157 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:37:27 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
straffo... the models show that all women will develop breast cancer within 20 years.... You don't cut off their breasts at puberty to solve the problem.. the models show that tea may have a significant effect... you don't ban tea for women... My model shows that the stress of voting has a "significant" effect on breast cancer... we have to stop them from voting RIGHT NOW.. there is no time to confirm my studies... millions will die while you sit on your hands. We can stop them from voting now and I will set up a research program in the meantime... A couple billion a year ought to do it for a start.

Unless you hate women?

lazs

Well I don't say there is "one size fit all" solution just that not wasting ressources should be a general attitude.
Example : I can use AC in my car daily nothing prevent me to to so ,I've just to turn a knob but why should I use it to be at 25° instead of 26° ?

Like I posted just before negligible is a lot less negligible when repeated thousand of times.

indy007 · « **Reply #158 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:37:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
It was mostly the same with the ozone layer problem.

Check Earth Probe TOMS. Here.

I think your understanding of it may be flawed. Ozone is not a limited resource. It's constantly created and destroyed by solar radiation. It's impossible to run out of it. The more ozone destroyed (O3), the more free oxygen radicals (O1) can bind with free oxygen (O2).

What's the problem again?

Angus · « **Reply #159 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:45:44 AM »

Ozone was on a retreat enough to have gaps in it the size of the USA. Had the gap been OVER the USA, things might have sounded different.
But yes, the destroying factor was held back, and the layer is recovering.
Our planet is also somewhat dynamic about climate changes, but it cannot take endless bull$#1T...

lazs2 · « **Reply #160 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:55:35 AM »

so don't run your air conditioner because you are cheap but don't tell us you are doing it to save the planet... if you believe that then why do you even have an air conditioner.

You do know that most cars are made to run with the compressor on even when the heater is on? that if you don't run the air conditioner once in a while it will wear out in record time and then valuable resources will be spent replacing it and... you will have to recharge it with chemicals...

people won't ride in the car with you because you and your car will stink like sweat and so they will take their own car and double the pollution.

Your not using it is destroying the planet. In this case...your "common sense" solution is a net loss.

lazs

indy007 · « **Reply #161 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:58:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
Ozone was on a retreat enough to have gaps in it the size of the USA. Had the gap been OVER the USA, things might have sounded different.
But yes, the destroying factor was held back, and the layer is recovering.
Our planet is also somewhat dynamic about climate changes, but it cannot take endless bull$#1T...

source please.

If the gap appeared OVER the USA... we would've done just fine. The tropics receive 1000x more solar radiation than the Antarctic. They have very low levels of atmospheric ozone. Life flourishes.

You say it was a problem... well, not really... unless you sunbathe in the Antarctic in September. Nobody knows what "normal" is even supposed to be for the region. Nobody knows how long it has been going on (perhaps before humans even discovered fire).

All we know is that it's a cycle, and variations have not been out of bounds since we've been measuring it. I know... it's bad American info by the oil companies...

Angus · « **Reply #162 on:** January 30, 2007, 12:19:00 PM »

Ahem.
Firstly:
"The tropics receive 1000x more solar radiation than the Antarctic."
No. Same applies to the Northern territories.

Secondly:
"You say it was a problem... well, not really... unless you sunbathe in the Antarctic in September"

That's why I said that had the gap been over...say Texas (especially with already 1000 times as much solar radiation,,,even just 100) it WOULD have been a problem. Ant the high season for sun in the Antartica would be..December BTW. On the North, June, where the sun shines twice as long as on the equador....

Bodhi · « **Reply #163 on:** January 30, 2007, 02:49:21 PM »

I can not help but think back to the scientist who sid Mt St. Helens eruption put out more CO2 than all of humakind ever did. That happened over a couple days, right? Well, look at what Vesuvius did in 1944, or the eruption in the Phillipines, or the multitude of other volcanos that are constantly erupting.

Having that evidence glaring at me, I am left to conclude that the human population can effect the environment to a point short of themro nuclear war, but the Earth itself can do far more damage than we could ever hope to.

In conclusion, I think Skuzzy put it best when he said that no one here on Earth understands all the factors that are a part of climatology. They will never fully be understood, until it is too late. By then, we will probably realise that all the rediculous paper work and bad will generated by ploitics were the biggest problem for the planet.

storch · « **Reply #164 on:** January 30, 2007, 02:56:47 PM »

not to mention that the oceans pump out tons of greenhouse gasses, more than all of humanity ever will. handwringers=the funny.

Author Topic: Global Warming (Read 16340 times)

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