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« Reply #660 on: March 19, 2007, 03:05:53 PM »
So Gto...you are happy to take this one item of evidence of manipulation, discard it and then keep the show "as is".  You are absolutely sure the rest of the show is fine?  No credibility issue for you?  

Amazing.

I guess we could do the same with say....Clinton?

He lied about having sex with an intern.  Take that out of his presidency and the rest should be all good right?
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« Reply #661 on: March 19, 2007, 03:38:09 PM »
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So Gto...you are happy to take this one item of evidence of manipulation, discard it and then keep the show "as is".  You are absolutely sure the rest of the show is fine?  No credibility issue for you?  

Amazing.

I guess we could do the same with say....Clinton?

He lied about having sex with an intern.  Take that out of his presidency and the rest should be all good right?
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I think if you go search I am prolly all over the map on Clinton Curvy, and I am fairly sure I have said in the past he wasn't all that bad.

I think Bush has been worse for the country over all, and I have always said, all clinton needed to do in my book is say "keep your nose out my private life" and It would have been fine for me.

Now back to the Film.

I think you missed the point of what I posted, and I did say I would like to see what was removed. That means I havn't made up my mind one way or another on the issue. Hell for all we know he could be having sour grapes because he got so little air time.

I would love to see if the other scientists in the movie feel the same way as the guy you posted about, that would bring more doubt.  

I am going to see if you can find the others online and email them and see if they will share their take.

Over all though the other scientist in the film were more compeling so unlesss they start screaming I won't toss the whole thing away as BS.

Hell I will even watch Gore's film if someone links a Utube copy. I won't pay for it though.

P.S if you asked what I thought as opposed to assuming it, you wouldn't come off as so condescending, (maybe that’s what you like though?)amazing how that works.
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« Reply #662 on: March 19, 2007, 03:42:41 PM »
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 You realize of course that one vacation in a jet will burn a lifetimes worth of fuel for an SUV driver
 
That's a wild exaggeration, Lazs. On a 2000 mile trip, a plane like a B757 will use 20 tons of fuel, with 9000lb/hr being the approximate rule of thumb burn rate. But there will be ~150 passengers, so it's only about 60lb/hr per passenger. So about 480lb per passenger for the round trip. That's about 70 gallons per head. I rather think an SUV is going to use more than that in its lifetime or yours.


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« Reply #663 on: March 19, 2007, 03:50:23 PM »
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as you wish:



For the United States, meanwhile, the winter temperature was near average. The season got off to a late start and spring-like temperatures covered most of the eastern half of the country in January, but cold conditions set in in February, which was the third coldest on record.

For winter, statewide temperatures were warmer than average from Florida to Maine and from Michigan to Montana while cooler-than-average temperatures occurred in the southern Plains and areas of the Southwest.


I trust you read this part.

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« Reply #664 on: March 19, 2007, 03:51:12 PM »
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Originally posted by Curval
So Gto...you are happy to take this one item of evidence of manipulation, discard it and then keep the show "as is".  You are absolutely sure the rest of the show is fine?  No credibility issue for you?  

Amazing.

I guess we could do the same with say....Clinton?

He lied about having sex with an intern.  Take that out of his presidency and the rest should be all good right?
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I think if you go search I am prolly all over the map on Clinton Curvy, and I am fairly sure I have said in the past he wasn't all that bad.

I think Bush has been worse for the country over all, and I have always said, all clinton needed to do in my book is say "keep your nose out my private life" and It would have been fine for me.

Now back to the Film.

I think you missed the point of what I posted, and I did say I would like to see what was removed. That means I havn't made up my mind one way or another on the issue. Hell for all we know he could be having sour grapes because he got so little air time.

I would love to see if the other scientists in the movie feel the same way as the guy you posted about, that would bring more doubt.  

I am going to see if you can find the others online and email them and see if they will share their take.

Over all though the other scientist in the film were more compeling so unlesss they start screaming I won't toss the whole thing away as BS.

Hell I will even watch Gore's film if someone links a Utube copy. I won't pay for it though. [/B]


No, I got your point and it was well taken.  I am not saying the whole show was garbage though, just to be clear.  I even caveated my little Visa card analogy by saying:

"Watching a British (*gasp*) documentary about swindlers apparently MADE by swindlers and claiming it as fact - Priceless

It was lazs who claimed I was tossing the whole show aside.  I haven't.  In fact it is the only one I've seen on the subject...haven't seen Gore's show and didn't even watch the BBC's Global Dimming show that was recommended to me.  It shows a slightly different spin on the GW debate apparently.

I will be interested to see what the other scientists have to say if they reply...post up any response.
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« Reply #665 on: March 19, 2007, 03:58:04 PM »
Will do, I have to find out if they are around though. I have contacted Paul Moore in the past so I am sure I will get something from him. Though he wasnt  the most interesting.


I agree there is amusing irony in the visa thing.

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« Reply #666 on: March 19, 2007, 04:01:33 PM »
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I "may be" fat


It is sad you think that bothers me. I am fine with who I am, fat and all, I am thankfull everyday I don't have to smack around women or be a troll on the forums to feel good about myself. Or be a drunk.


But you go on calling me fat, it just shows how classy you really are, along with everything else you do to get banned.





Hey AcesHigh Forum. I am FAT!!! HUGE! Like the Moon Fat,   just so you know, so beeter doesnt have to keep telling you.

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« Reply #667 on: March 19, 2007, 04:09:58 PM »
Laz. I must confess.
I included that last line in there for you specifically as I knew it would send you over the edge.

I just wanted to see what your reaction would be :D

You can relax though, as at least your guns are safe with me

Curious though just how long you have been an expert in global warming.
How long have you studied it? What degrees do you hold on the relevant subjects?

And what if your wrong?

It just seems prudent to go on the assumption you may wrong be for an entire host of reasons not even related to global warming

And foolish if not outright arrogant to just go on the assumption that everything is just honky dory and we should just go on the way we always have.

the things that can happen are.

If your right, nothing. But will still be taking in more and more noxious pollutants

If your right but we act as if we are effecting the climate. Long term everyone wins with a cleaner planet

If your wrong and we do something. Again. everyone wins. cept maybe some stockholders. But while those stocks may drop. other stocks will undoubtedly rise as new technologies develop. So it becomes a money shift really. And industry will have to change or get lost in the shuffle..

Just seems there are more legitimate reasons to go act on the assumption that we are having an effect then that we arent. Even if we really arent.

I'll go for including a ban on air travel too for non business related purposes.
Might get people to see more of their own country as well as help out the local economies by pumping monies into them instead of sending them elsewhere.

I will agree one person pissing in a river will have no effect. But thousands of people pissing in a river might taint it just a tad. Just ask the folks over in India.

SUV's same thing a few will have little effect. but thousands upon thousands of SUVs are sure to be detrimental.
Particularly if all you are using it for is to run the kiddies around and just to show off your wealth.
Sorry but just as I dont think society as a whole should be forced to pay for those who refuse to work I don't think society as a whole should be forced to pay just so some people can have their status symbol or make up for whatever penile shortcomings they may have either.

C'mon man you and I both know the only reason alot of people are buying these big SUVs and trucks is so they can boast and say they have the biggest.
And yanno who is impressed the most by them. the people that buy them.
they only impress themselves. Its all about chest thumping. ::whoopee::

Driving is a privilege. NOT a right. You may very well have the right to own whatever you like. that doesnt mean you have the right to drive it.
Hell you can own a formula 1 too. that doesnt mean you have the right to drive it on city streets

But we don't have to ban them outright.
Just do what the government does best.
Impose a tax on them like a luxury tax. Cause thats what they really are for folks that dont have a legitimate NEED for them.
And offer a tax break equal to the tax increase for those who can show a legitimate need for them.

We dont have to ban them out of existence. We can just tax them out of existence. We can call it a cylinder tax to be paid upon buying the vehicle and annually as you renew registration.Tthe monies of which can be earmarked for alternative fuel research.

Then you can have your pig and help the environment at the same time
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« Reply #668 on: March 19, 2007, 04:16:46 PM »
on another note I stumbled across this.

I didnt want to include it in the last post

Looks rather amusing though

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« Reply #669 on: March 19, 2007, 04:21:13 PM »
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Hey AcesHigh Forum. I am FAT!!! HUGE! Like the Moon Fat,   just so you know, so beeter doesnt have to keep telling you.


Maybe he likes you. I mean REALLY likes you.

Everyone has their own fetish ;)
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« Reply #670 on: March 19, 2007, 04:23:59 PM »
Dred...too late man.  You have declared your feelings and have now been labelled a pinko commie left wing enviro nutbag.

You are either with lazs...or against him.  There just isn't any other way.  ;)
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« Reply #671 on: March 19, 2007, 04:34:32 PM »
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Maybe he likes you. I mean REALLY likes you.

Everyone has their own fetish ;)



It is possible, he does like humping my leg.

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« Reply #672 on: March 19, 2007, 04:34:55 PM »
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...Again. everyone wins. cept maybe some stockholders...


you keep saying that over and over, but guess what... the stockholders are us.


You present the whole thing like it is free. A simple zero sum reallocation. All we have to do is to reallocate existing funds and investments into different technologies.

That is what the free market will eventually do.

But this is not what the GB church wants. They want to stiffle our growth and ability to produce then take the wealth we already have and distribute it to the "oppressed" in the third world. Be it directly or indirectly via those idiotic carbon credits.

Lazs is right. It is communism all over again. The only thing that's different is the audience to which it is preached.

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« Reply #673 on: March 19, 2007, 05:25:29 PM »
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Dred...too late man.  You have declared your feelings and have now been labelled a pinko commie left wing enviro nutbag.

You are either with lazs...or against him.  There just isn't any other way.  ;)


Who I am for or against or weather I am left or right would depend on the subject at hand and whom I am arguing with.

LOL I do not beleive I have made any overtures of blowing large loads of sunshine up his butt.

He can label me as an enemy of the state if he likes.
I just call em the way I see em.
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« Reply #674 on: March 19, 2007, 05:56:22 PM »
My 2 pennies?

Global Warming will rate up there with Bird Flu...
both are possible but results are inconclusive.

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