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« Reply #735 on: March 25, 2007, 01:26:10 PM »
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1. I don't think Ravells was around in 1776.
2. I don't think he's British.


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Sorry I took him at his word.
Are you saying I shouldn't?



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« Reply #736 on: March 25, 2007, 07:36:10 PM »
Lukster: yes, I was talking about Ronald Reagan and as far as it goes I think the  collapse of the Soviet Union would have happened if any other president (within reason) had been in power. The collapse had more to do with soviet economics than anything else. But still.....don't you find it a bit scary when the most powerful man in the world is using astrology to guide his decisions. I think it's a bit extreme to say that the soviets wanted to 'enslave the world'.

Bronk: fair assumption, but I'm actually a colonist myself (Malaysia) but I live in Britian. But either way I don't see what your response added to the debate.

Jackal yes, the earth does change, but we ought to be technologically advanced enough to manage that change rather than contribue to undesirable weather effects.

Lasz: I said hundreds of thousands not hundreds. In fact it's probably millions of years. I havn't seen Al Gore's film, so I can't comment, but what I do know is that the majority of scientists whose research is validated by the Royal Society (an institute which monitors the accuracy of scientific research) recently sent a letter to Exxon Mobil censuring them for funding bad science (astroturfing basically) which concluded that man had little or no effect on today's weather patterns. As I'm pretty sure you're not a climatologist yourself, I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion that scientists don't know whether man is affecting the weather.  I'm not a scientist either, but I'd prefer to buy into science which is supported by an independant organisation like the Royal Society as 'accurate' rather than by oil companies. You say that global cooling is inevitable...why?

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« Reply #737 on: March 25, 2007, 10:54:12 PM »
Ravells, I do not believe the Soviet Union would have collapsed without Reagan's determination to oppose communism at all cost. I wholeheartedly recommend this documentary if you haven't seen it: http://www.inthefaceofevil.com. I won't say that the Soviets intended to enslave the world but I do believe that is exactly what would have happened had they survived.

I did find it disturbing that Nancy Reagan sought the advice of astrologers though I'm not convinced that Ronald Reagan took it seriously.

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« Reply #738 on: March 25, 2007, 11:27:24 PM »
Bend over Mother Earth...you have a Fever and I have a Thermometer....

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« Reply #739 on: March 26, 2007, 04:50:48 AM »
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Geez Angus......... I don`t believe anyone who has lived in any area, of any notable ,  population over a few years,  can truthfully say that that see no change in their surroundings and change in the countryside in general. Earth has been changing since the beginning of recorded history. I see no reason why your area would be expected to be any different.
There is evidence of many great changes in the earth and it`s inhabitants.
Did you think the ice was never going to expand or retract in your area or what?



I was not expecting to see changes in my short lifespan, that outmatch anything happening in so short a time since there was civilization.
There have been brutal changes in the atmosphere of out little blue ball throughout times, indeed yes. But none of the really big swings have occured after there was intelligent life, or rather civilization.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #740 on: March 26, 2007, 04:52:17 AM »
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I haven`t seen a T-Rex around lately either . I`m blaming Al Bore for not warning us soon enough. :)

The earth changes. Always has. Always will.


Oh, what killed the rex again...? Global temperature swing?
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« Reply #741 on: March 26, 2007, 06:57:37 AM »
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I was not expecting to see changes in my short lifespan, that outmatch anything happening in so short a time since there was civilization.
There have been brutal changes in the atmosphere of out little blue ball throughout times, indeed yes. But none of the really big swings have occured after there was intelligent life, or rather civilization.


So it`s your day in the barrel. :)

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Oh, what killed the rex again...? Global temperature swing?


Proud you brought that up. What killed them? Funny you should ask. I watched a program dealing with this last week. The scientists are still debating and arguing a few theories concerning this according to the program. Imagine that. If they haven`t figured that out to a definite by now I sort of doubt their ability on anything else.
The most accepted theory seems to be that it was caused by a large meteorite striking the earth. Cause of death? Still undetermined by the scientists. Most likely starving to death from lack of food due to the dust cloud which in turn resulted in  ICEAGE  conditions. :)
The program also dealt with some of the latest predictions by the scientists on what were the most likely causes for the end of the earth as we know it. Read that "human extinction". One was the eruption of a super volcano, which was deemed overdue and imminent. Another was giant waves destroying everything. This was deemed "just a matter of time". Another was the very imminent danger of total nuclear war. (If voting I would put my money on this one)
There were many more. All sounding alarm bells, accompanied with the "deer in the headlights" stares and gnashing of the teeth..............or beating of the gums. :)
So Angus............If you are determined to join the Doomsday Flavor Of The Year Club ......... I would start by loading the shotgun and putting up a constant guard on the sky in order to be able to shoot down those pesky meteorites , build a fallout shelter , buy a lava proof suit for the entire neighborhood , and just for good measure, build a large boat that will withstand GLOBAL FLOODING . :confused:   I heard a cat named Noah might hook you up with some off the hook plans.


...................Oh yea..........I forgot...........the scientists are still debating whether Noah  ever existed and if the global flood ever happened.
I`m personaly sitting on the edge of my seat for the final decision. I`m sure they will agree, based on facts, sometime in the next 5 to 600,000 years or so. I think we should put the UN on the case. Then we would see some fast action. :aok :rofl
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« Reply #742 on: March 26, 2007, 07:16:54 AM »
Hehe, I knew you'd have this one, - roughly.
Actually, that meteor is estimated to have hit the earth roughly where I live now.
Anyway, you still flush on one thing. You mix together the things we cannot do anything about and things we can perfectly well do a lot about.
And as a sidenote, we do have a way to shoot down some pesky meteorites. They are a threat, and they are being mapped. The money being put into that project is but a crowberry in hell compared to what we put into the resources of shooting down each other.....
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #743 on: March 26, 2007, 07:26:03 AM »
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Jackal yes, the earth does change, but we ought to be technologically advanced enough to manage that change rather than contribue to undesirable weather effects.


So now we can kick mother nature to the curb and take over. We decide who gets what weather and when? Hitler would have loved that concept. :)

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but we ought to be technologically advanced enough to manage  


We ought  to be????? Another "it ain`t gonna happen Marie" plan or one for the wish book.
We ought to be.........intelligent enough by now to figure out how to stop entire countries from famine and disease. We are not, evidently.

We ought to be.................intelligen t enough by now to be to the point there would be no wars and terrorism on a global scale. We are not.

We ought to be............caring enough to take care of and the elderly and deal with their needs...and actualy give a hoot. We are not , evidently.

We ought to be .............able to figure out a cure and prevention for such diseases such as cancer ,  considering the money , effort and research over a long span of time. We are not.

Here in our country...........We ought to be.............concerned and putting a stop to a , not so slow, attempt to stomp on the very basis and guidelines set forth by our forefathers. A lot are too dazzled by the smoke screens put forth , by the very people who are in power , to avert your attention elsewhere in order to be able to do just that.

We ought to be................a lot of things which we are not and probably will never be.

We  should  very concerned over scams by people who only wish to further their political careers and pad their pockets with numerous scams such as is being witnessed today. BUT..............most people are too busy trying to keep slack in the rope connected to the ring in their nose that they are being led around by. It seems to be the norm for some.

As said before......I am much more concerned with Global Numbing than I am of any doomsday theory which  is based on pure , manipulated horse crap.
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« Reply #744 on: March 26, 2007, 07:44:08 AM »
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Actually, that meteor is estimated to have hit the earth roughly where I live now.
 


Yea.........................IF  the calculations and theories of the scientists that believe and support that theory is correct. There is not much agreement so far. Give it a few thou and they will get it worked out and come to an agreement. I mean..........you just can`t rush such things. :rolleyes:

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You mix together the things we cannot do anything about and things we can perfectly well do a lot about.


I do? Hmmmmmmm. What are the things  that we can perfectly well do a lot about? What do you suggest we do to avoid the hundreds upon hundreds of scenarios and theories that will wipe out mankind according to the scientists. (Read that...Lab Coats up for the highest bid)

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And as a sidenote, we do have a way to shoot down some pesky meteorites.


Yep. This was discussed on the program also. Remember when the "We Are Doomed Due To Meteorites" was the flavor of the year in the Chicken Little Association? Then the word was spread.........."Never fear. We have a way to shoot them down"  theory the paid to say scientists came up with.
According to most of the same screwballs...they have now decided that shooting a metorite would cause much more problems than left in it`s original state. Go figure. :)

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They are a threat, and they are being mapped.


ROFL  That`s sure going to help.



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The money being put into that project is but a crowberry in hell compared to what we put into the resources of shooting down each other.....
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Yep...........I agree. So as long as we are busy shooting down each other, on a global basis , you can forget everybody joining hands and singing campfire songs in an effort to do anything............about anything.............real or science fiction.
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« Reply #745 on: March 26, 2007, 09:53:36 AM »
ravs.. you haven't seen the algore film?   Have you seen the "swindle" documentary?    The algore film is already dated.. the predicted horrible hurricane season never came.

The scientists in "swindle" are tops in their fields.. their fields are important to the debate..  algores scientists are tops in film and politics.   Would you shut up these scientists in swindle?  they claim they take no money from anyone and that they are losing a great deal by telling what they think is the truth.

The ones on the side  of man made global warming are going the easy way.

So far as scientists go..   hell... I am just glad that they figured out they needed to wash their hands before they put the leaches on.

I am just glad that every 10 years or so they tell me eggs are good for me again...  I like eggs.

I am glad that every doomsday prediction they came up with so far has been wrong and I am glad that oil isn't dino juice like they told me...  I am glad that my home isn't covered in the ice that they said it would be by now in 1975.  I have every confidence that they are just as wrong and just as political on this one...

If they want to convince me that we are causing global warming and it is not just the sun as it has always been... they need to show some real evidence and numbers... they need to quit using words with no meaning like "significant"   what number is "significant"?

Watch the documentary "swindle"  watch algores movie..    See which one makes sense.

If this is such an important thing.. why is there so little debate?  why is it not even allowed?   Why is a known liar and politician the spokesman for the man made global warming religion?

I hear that all the scientists agree so there is no point in hearing the other side yet...  when a real scientist doesn't agree he is told to shut up...  I know 3 people in related fields with PHD's who all tell me that man made global warming by co2 is bull.

I have seen two films on it...  one is a joke and the other is reasoned and has   scientists in it with impressive credentials.

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« Reply #746 on: March 26, 2007, 10:11:23 AM »
yeah yeah...

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« Reply #747 on: March 26, 2007, 10:17:29 AM »
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ravs.. you haven't seen the algore film?   Have you seen the "swindle" documentary?    The algore film is already dated.. the predicted horrible hurricane season never came.

The scientists in "swindle" are tops in their fields.. their fields are important to the debate..  algores scientists are tops in film and politics.   Would you shut up these scientists in swindle?  they claim they take no money from anyone and that they are losing a great deal by telling what they think is the truth.

The ones on the side  of man made global warming are going the easy way.

So far as scientists go..   hell... I am just glad that they figured out they needed to wash their hands before they put the leaches on.

I am just glad that every 10 years or so they tell me eggs are good for me again...  I like eggs.

I am glad that every doomsday prediction they came up with so far has been wrong and I am glad that oil isn't dino juice like they told me...  I am glad that my home isn't covered in the ice that they said it would be by now in 1975.  I have every confidence that they are just as wrong and just as political on this one...

If they want to convince me that we are causing global warming and it is not just the sun as it has always been... they need to show some real evidence and numbers... they need to quit using words with no meaning like "significant"   what number is "significant"?

Watch the documentary "swindle"  watch algores movie..    See which one makes sense.

If this is such an important thing.. why is there so little debate?  why is it not even allowed?   Why is a known liar and politician the spokesman for the man made global warming religion?

I hear that all the scientists agree so there is no point in hearing the other side yet...  when a real scientist doesn't agree he is told to shut up...  I know 3 people in related fields with PHD's who all tell me that man made global warming by co2 is bull.

I have seen two films on it...  one is a joke and the other is reasoned and has   scientists in it with impressive credentials.

lazs


Ravs,

Lazs has found a few scientists in ONE film that agree with his position.  Much like a book he recommended he now considers it to be a "bible".  It is real...everything else is false.

I'll bet he couldn't give you a name of any of the scientists in his documentary...or the ones in Gore's.  It just doesn't matter.  One agrees with him and therefore it is GOSPEL.

...and it doesn't matter that the director of the one he supports is known for making biased documentaries and that Ch 4 had to apologise for even allowing it to be shown due to the bias displayed in previous shows.  Nope.  

Lazs even states that "The scientists in "swindle" are tops in their fields.. their fields are important to the debate..  algores scientists are tops in film and politics. "  He, of course, foregts that one of the "swindle" scientists from Harvard is considering legal action after being misrepresented on the swindle show.

I've brought this up already in this thread, and amazingly lazs ommited to mention it.....I bring it up again in case you missed it.
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« Reply #748 on: March 26, 2007, 10:23:17 AM »
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yeah yeah...




Hehe :aok
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« Reply #749 on: March 26, 2007, 11:23:00 AM »
Jacka1:
"I do? Hmmmmmmm. What are the things that we can perfectly well do a lot about? What do you suggest we do to avoid the hundreds upon hundreds of scenarios and theories that will wipe out mankind according to the scientists. (Read that...Lab Coats up for the highest bid)"

We can do a lot about lots of things. Especially if people with your opinion don't rule too much. Look at it  like Chamberlain vs Churchill, and then go figure :D
There are indeed many scenarios that can wipe us out, most of them are however less probable than we ourselves.
So be it the nuke or the climate, we really CAN do something about it. Of course mankind has (as you have pointed out) done many a silly thing. Well, then there is the choice of trying to DO something, or NOT, and right there we seem to have different camps., and thereby campfires :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)