Spitfire

[Benny Moore]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Any idea how many Spitfires were produced Benny?

20,334.  2,408 Seafires built.  Last I checked only the 109 had more examples produced.

What I'm seeing is a generalized "History Channel" statement based on the fact that there were more Hurris then Spits in the B of B.

Go ahead and gripe about em in the game.  I get tired of seeing so many 16s too.

Yes, I am aware of the roughly twenty thousand figure.  However, let's add up the fighters.  With something like 14,000 Hurricanes, 33,000 Me-109s, 20,000 FW-190s, and 100,000 American fighters, the ratio of Spitfires to other fighters is something like 1 to 9.  That's 10%.  That is, of course, not counting all of the aircraft.  If all aircraft were counted, it would be even lower.

In the game, however, Spitfires often make up a full half of the aircraft in any particular server that enables all models.  My own server, which allows only the Mark I, has a much more reasonable ratio, closely resembling the proper 10%.

[Bronk]

Well, IF we want to play numbers with planes .
 There only 10,0038 P-38 produced.
Thats less than 1/2 the numbers of spits produced.
So by your logic we should see them 2x as often as the P-38.

Note: P-38 #s taken from Dean's AHT.



Bronk

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
Yes, I am aware of the roughly twenty thousand figure.  However, let's add up the fighters.  With something like 14,000 Hurricanes, 33,000 Me-109s, 20,000 FW-190s, and 100,000 American fighters, the ratio of Spitfires to other fighters is something like 1 to 9.  That's 10%.  That is, of course, not counting all of the aircraft.  If all aircraft were counted, it would be even lower.

In the game, however, Spitfires often make up a full half of the aircraft in any particular server that enables all models.  My own server, which allows only the Mark I, has a much more reasonable ratio, closely resembling the proper 10%.

What time of the war we referring to and where?   What would the percentage be of Allied fighters over France in 41-42 for example?  That would be Spits vs 109s and 190s.  No Jugs.  Tiffies were just barely moving with teething troubles in late 42.  Hurri's not being used as frontline fighters, No Merlin Mustangs, No P38s.    Guess that leaves about 80-90 percent Spits taking the fight to France.

It's all relative.  Does that mean we need to base our percentages on total use during the war?  Merlin Mustangs are gonna take a pretty good hit.  There goes the 38L since it barely scratched the surface in the ETO before the war was over.....You can play the math any number of ways.

[Creton]

I'm sorry ,did someone mention 109K-4's?

[Squire]

How many F4U-1Cs were built in WW2? a paltry 200. Thats a fraction of a percent of US fighters.

N1K2-Js? several hundred saw action, tops.

Doras? about 700 produced. Total.

You can add Doras, N1Ks and C-Hogs and you can get @1100 planes. Wow.

P-51Ds and LA-7s? none in action prior to May 1944, a year prior to wars end in the ETO.

P-38s? P-47s? you want to compare them to the total # of other fighters in the war? 1 in 9? not even close.

Yet, how many do we see in the MA?

LMAO

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Squire
You can add Doras, N1Ks and C-Hogs and you can get @1100 planes. Wow.

Not forgetting the less than 60 Ta-152's, or as has been discovered recently  -
The extremely rare (20 or so) AH2 version of the 110 we have with the uprated motor (and how many of them do you see, they're all over the place in AH2).

[straffo]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
Aside from that, they're so easy to fly that they do allow a considerably inferior flier to get kills on a superior pilot.

How can he be superior and end killed ?

Not very logical.

[Debonair]

Originally posted by Guppy35
...What would the percentage be of Allied fighters over France in 41-42 for example?...

wats that have 2 do w/ anythings?
it wasn't France War II:mad::furious:furious:furiouswhere were all the spitfires in china:mad:?

[Serenity]

I know guppy. Ive seen the clipped mk V. Its still not a true spitfire though Im not saying its a bad plane, and im not disrespecting it, its just not a spitfire because it doesnt have the physical quality that the Spitfire is most famous for.

And Bronk, Squire, I have enough crap loading down my comp, I cannot record every one of my flights, and by the time I hit alt R the anomoly has already happened, and I have made my way away from this strange plane. Just keep your eyes open and you will see it. Heres a hint: Stop flying the Spixteen, and just watch others fly them. The only way I have ever beat a Spixteen is in a turn and burn. That is the only thing this plane seems to be bad at, but its bad enough that a Bf-109G6 can turn inside it, and even loop inside it in proper conditions. But here, JUST for you, I will record every single one of my flights and e-mail them to you so YOU can have a nice bogged down computer too, and YOU can sort through all 30 minutes, and all 100+ films, and find those 3 seconds where a Spixteen is defying physics. Would you like me to do that for you? Id be glad to.

This is still my favorite screenshot. Me in the Bf-109G6, some dweeb in the Spitfire. No I didnt scrape the ground and yes, I survived the whorde that chased me away from their base. How do you like THAT clipped wing?

[Angus]

" No propeller plane with the weight of a Spitfire and an engine of that era can begin an 80 degree climb at 120mph and reach 360mph IN the climb while still accelerating"

Well, I have seen a RL Spit IX take off and go almost straight into a loop, - I can't even copy that one properly in AH.
As for the 360 mph IN the climb, I'd like to see that on video.

And for this Bronk:
"There only 10,0038 P-38 produced.
Thats less than 1/2 the numbers of spits produced.
So by your logic we should see them 2x as often as the P-38."

You forgot the time in service. P38: 1942/43 to 1945, Spitty 1939 to 1945.
But, in the PTO the P38 was of course more common.....

[Serenity]

Originally posted by Angus
Well, I have seen a RL Spit IX take off and go almost straight into a loop, - I can't even copy that one properly in AH.
As for the 360 mph IN the climb, I'd like to see that on video.

Full span, right? I can imagine it, but suggested speed for a loop is 270. He must have leveled for a second or two, as Spitfire lifts off between 80 and 120mph. Again, sorry but I cannot afford the computer problems all of those recordings would cause, but from now on I will make a point of recording Spixteen encounters.

[Angus]

A decent pilot in a Spit I would go from cruise into two consequtive loops. 3 have been registered. However, that is not takeoff speed.
The one I saw was a full span twin cockpit Mk IX (modded), and he was entering the loop while still over the runway.
Actually, I was watching lots of spits later on with a WW2 Ace at my side. I heard him muttering, - this ain't nothing!

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Serenity
I know guppy. Ive seen the clipped mk V. Its still not a true spitfire though Im not saying its a bad plane, and im not disrespecting it, its just not a spitfire because it doesnt have the physical quality that the Spitfire is most famous for.

What do you mean a clipped wing Spitfire is not a true Spitfire?

What do you mean by 'it doesnt have the physical quality that the Spitfire is most famous for'?

Are you saying an extended wing Spitfire is not a true Spitfire also?

[Benny Moore]

Originally posted by Bronk
Well, IF we want to play numbers with planes .
 There only 10,0038 P-38 produced.
Thats less than 1/2 the numbers of spits produced.
So by your logic we should see them 2x as often as the P-38.

Right you are!  The difference is that you're not going to see a server full of P-38s like you do Spitfires.  Even when the planeset is pretty much tailored to American ships, the P-38 comprises a very low percentage of the ships flown (as it should).

Straffo, an airplane can make up for pilot skill.  The best pilot in the world, flying a P-47, won't ever touch your average F-15 pilot.  That's a really extreme example, of course, but it's true.  Unless the Spitfire pilot really don't know his stuff, it doesn't matter how good the P-38 pilot is.  He's going to lose.  If you don't believe me, we can arrange a duel in my server.  It's pretty much lag-free and people respect the duel in there.  I'll fly Spitfire Mark XIV (which I've never flown before) and you can fly the P-38.  You will lose.

[Angus]

A WW2 prop plane and a modern F15 are NOT in the same ballpark.
A Spitfire and a Jug ARE in the same Ballpark.
No Oranges vs apples please.

As for a Spit on P38, Try fighting Ack-Ack