Author Topic: Piracy: A general discussion (Read 8160 times)

FOGOLD · « **Reply #120 on:** February 23, 2007, 01:07:48 PM »

I'm with Skuzzy in all this I'm afraid. I think overzealous copyright and DRM stifle innovation and make the whole world a lot less fun! The dedicated pirates will always pirate. In the real world a friend will give me a copy of the latest Bob Dylan CD. If I like it I'll go out and buy a proper copy. I think that's how most people operate. Artists and writers make most from their contracts and performances and are entitled to patent and protect their ideas. However greatest innovation and enterprise comes from ideas going out into the world and being allowed to grow. What annoys people most is not being acknowleged as having contributed. Like Skuzzy I copy CD's to play in the milking parlour or the car or onto my mp3 player. I really am not going to flog copies out of the back of my car. I believe I am typical rather than eccentric.

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but it's what I feel in my guts.

Mini D · « **Reply #121 on:** February 23, 2007, 10:12:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Your wrong MiniD -

Title 17 of the U.S. Code states that
- "it is illegal to make or distribute copies of copyrighted material without authorization" (Section 106). The only exception is the users' right to make a backup copy for archival purposes (Section 117).

The cornell link and your link say two different things, so I went to the government link (Dunno if that long link will work).

It supports the statements on the cornell site that do not contain the phrase "the users' right" anywhere. More accurately, it states:

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Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an

infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make

or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that

computer program provided:

That is exactly what I said above. Using the term "it is the users' right..." implies that the software company must enable this. The phrase quoted does not. Do you see the difference?

Mini D · « **Reply #122 on:** February 23, 2007, 10:14:27 PM »

Link didn't work. Go to: http://uscode.house.gov/search/criteria.shtml and search for Title 17, section 117. It will bring up the link.

Krusty · « **Reply #123 on:** February 24, 2007, 01:37:47 AM »

edit: oh never mind it's just not worth it in here.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #124 on:** February 24, 2007, 02:17:43 AM »

Anyone else think a really, really accomplished troll started this thread?

NOT · « **Reply #125 on:** February 24, 2007, 02:49:46 AM »

Blockbuster has previously viewed DVDs on sale, 4 for $20.00.

NOT

Mini D · « **Reply #126 on:** February 24, 2007, 09:05:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Anyone else think a really, really accomplished troll started this thread?

Skuzzy?

Sincraft · « **Reply #127 on:** February 24, 2007, 10:13:10 AM »

wait...I thought this was a piracy discussion, mainly - where I could download the latest new apps and games and their appropriate CD / DVD cracks and patches.

Geesh, this thread is NO fun!

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #128 on:** February 24, 2007, 10:59:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Ah... the word I was looking for has finally crept in. "Enthusiasts". That word is a little different than "regular users". I do enjoy watching the doom and gloom conversations morph into something a little more realistic.

Just to recap:

Backup = Load on multiple devices so I can listen to it on all of them
Regular user = Enthusiast

Gotcha. [/QUOTE

No it's a total miss.

It's not only about enthusiasts - its just them who get hit the most. Through that it damages sales the most because the enthusiasts are the biggest spenders.

What about price fixing, monopoly and illegal business practises?
Why shouldn't a user have a right to make several copies to use in several machines in his _own use_?

The licensing says we do not own the physical media or the content on it. Why does the content provider refuse to replace the damaged media for printing cost? Does your car dealership force you to buy another car every time it breaks? No, they fix it.

Mini D · « **Reply #129 on:** February 24, 2007, 12:30:23 PM »

Wow.. no arguing with that MrRipley. You've thrown out every bit of rhetoric in the book and I can just think... wow.

Benny Moore · « **Reply #130 on:** February 24, 2007, 12:34:12 PM »

Mini D, you call anything anyone says contrary to you "rhetoric." Yet hard proof and professional opinion alike have been given to you, mislabelled by you, and tossed aside. You speak as a lawyer does, using double-speak and twisted logic.

I would like to know what makes Mini D claim to take this absurd position. Perhaps he really is serious about it; in that case, he surely holds a high position in a record company or some similar large, corrupt corporation. Shame on you, Mini D. I hope that someday you will repent of your greed and your dishonesty. If less people were like you, this world could be a much better place.

Krusty · « **Reply #131 on:** February 24, 2007, 12:41:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Wow.. no arguing with that MrRipley. You've thrown out every bit of rhetoric in the book and I can just think... wow.

"Joo keep using dat word... I do not t'ink it means what you t'ink it means..." - Inygo Montoya

Benny Moore · « **Reply #132 on:** February 24, 2007, 12:45:03 PM »

Hey, do you own the intellectual rights to that story, Krusty? Huh? Pirate! Piracy, I say!

Vulcan · « **Reply #133 on:** February 24, 2007, 04:18:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Wow.. no arguing with that MrRipley. You've thrown out every bit of rhetoric in the book and I can just think... wow.

Same could be said of you minid

After all this discussion about DRM, at the end of the day in the most piracy infested markets in the world (Eastern Europe), what did the movie industry do? Did they choose the path of DRM, or did they choose to provide content faster and cheaper?

and what does their decision tell us minid?

Benny Moore · « **Reply #134 on:** February 24, 2007, 04:37:14 PM »

He probably won't answer you, Vulcan. He's not once addressed any of the points which poke obvious holes in his arguments; he just goes around them and takes shots at the easier ones.