which branch of governement is cheney in again?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by crockett
It's starting to get pretty funny watching people whom still "claim" to support this admin. Come up with excuses why all the crap like this they pull is ok.

I'm guess about the only thing the Bush supporters have left is the "anti-liberal" argument and calling us names.


The best part about it all, is Bush ran his entire platform in 2000 on brining back "Honor and Integrity" to the white house. I just wonder, when exactlly did he plan to start bringing that back?

The entire government from the executive offices right on down has become a joke. And has been for quite some time
Both sides Rep and Dem alike. The Rep have no monopoly on what your saying. the Democrats are every bit as bad.

But its convienient for each side to wag fingers at the other while igoring the mess  in theor own party.

Personally I think maybe its time that all government branches and offices
have the exempt status removed from filing reports to the National Archives and Records Administration oversight office. Right down to the janatorial level

[Hap]

I'm guessing that before Bush leaves office, we'll see another "massacre" a la Nixon's waning days.

Guessing merely.

[JB88]

what do you mean hap?

[Hap]

From memory, so when I mess up, be nice.

Nixon was ordered to produce taped conversations that took place in the white house.

He ordered, was it Eliot Abrams??, to fire the guy from justice dept who gave the order.  The guy Nixon ordered wouldn't do it.  Got fired.  The next guy in line had the same job.  No can do.  Got sacked.  Then the next guy.

What was it, 2 to 5 guys who got canned?

I got the name wrong.  Here's Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

[midnight Target]

If Cheney has a good argument with this one, Clinton didn't actually "have sexual realtions" with that woman... lol.

[JB88]

Originally posted by midnight Target
If Cheney has a good argument with this one, Clinton didn't actually "have sexual realtions" with that woman... lol.

and don't even get me started on the teapot dome scandal.  



(about as relevant as the tired old clinton arguements that party loyalists continue to dust off and pull out rather than just address the issue at hand.)

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
As far as I can tell, other than assuming the Presidency in case of resignation removal or death of the President, this is the only constitutional duty of the VP.

If his only constitutional duty is as the President of the Senate, perhaps constitutionally he is part of the Senate...  at least he has a valid argument.

No, VP is cabinet rank member. Read the article 2, section 2 and 4. In section 4 VP is clearly named as member of executive branch.

Edit:

Article 2.

Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of
America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together
with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,
a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives
to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or
Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United
States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two
persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State
with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and
of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and
transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to
the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence
of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the
Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes
shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of
Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and
have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall
immediately choose by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a
Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like
Manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the Votes shall be
taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum
for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the
States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In
every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest
Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there
should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall choose from
them by Ballot the Vice-President.

The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on
which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the
United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office
of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not
have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a
Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death,
Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said
Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by
Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of
the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as
President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be
removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation,
which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he
shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other
Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following
Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of
President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve,
protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 2
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United
States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual
Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the
principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject
relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to
Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in
Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make
Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall
nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint
Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court,
and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein
otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress
may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think
proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of
Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during
the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End
of their next Session.

Section 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the
Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge
necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both
Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with
Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he
shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he
shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all
the Officers of the United States.

Section 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States,
shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason,
Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

[Mace2004]

I have nothing but a big SO WHAT about this.  Just another squable between the Executive and Legislative branches.  Sure, Cheney's argument sounds ridiculous but so do accusations against him.  He's just telling the Dems to go stuff it and I don't blame him.  

There's a mighty big jump between disagreeing with an administration's policy or judgement and claiming their motives are invideous or accusing them of criminal intent.

Given the Dems propensity to attack motives and integrity because they themselves have no better ideas I'd prefer Cheney just go on camera and say what he said in the Senate a few years ago when he told a Dem to go F*** himself.

[jhookt]

Originally posted by Mace2004
I have nothing but a big SO WHAT about this.  Just another squable between the Executive and Legislative branches.  Sure, Cheney's argument sounds ridiculous but so do accusations against him.  He's just telling the Dems to go stuff it and I don't blame him.  

There's a mighty big jump between disagreeing with an administration's policy or judgement and claiming their motives are invideous or accusing them of criminal intent.

Given the Dems propensity to attack motives and integrity because they themselves have no better ideas I'd prefer Cheney just go on camera and say what he said in the Senate a few years ago when he told a Dem to go F*** himself.

huh? as i understand it the whole thing started because of Cheney's failure to comply with an Exectutive Order he stated he didn't have to file his secret documents with National Archive's because he isn't a part of the Executive branch. its not a squabble between the 2 branches, its Cheney trying to worm his fat oscar thru a damned small loop hole.

[crockett]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
The entire government from the executive offices right on down has become a joke. And has been for quite some time
Both sides Rep and Dem alike. The Rep have no monopoly on what your saying. the Democrats are every bit as bad.

But its convienient for each side to wag fingers at the other while igoring the mess  in theor own party.

Personally I think maybe its time that all government branches and offices
have the exempt status removed from filing reports to the National Archives and Records Administration oversight office. Right down to the janatorial level

Ok I agree, I can't stand either side of our govt.. they are all a bunch of corrupt P.O.S.'s IMHO.  If it were up to me I say have at it evil terrorist guys, blow up DC while all those A holes are there. That way the people of this country could start fresh, like our Constitution tells us too if things aren't working so well "for the people".

Of course that will never happen, so we are stuck with what we have.. (total crap) In that case I try to pick the lesser of two evils. The current Republican crop of A holes in charge, pretty much thumb their nose at any sort of accountability. And why not. who'sgoing to hold them accountable? We The people?  lol yea right..

Too bad the people in this country are a bunch of limp di*k's and too sissified to actually stand of and have a little civil disorder when this kind of BS happens. If this happened in Europe or in most other countries the people would take to the streets and set things right.

The govt should fear the people, not vice versa.. I saw the movie Sicko a week or so ago and the one thing if anything that stuck out as true to me,  was a French guy's quote:

"The difference between America and France is, In America the people are afraid of the govt.. In France the govt is afraid of the people."

[bj229r]

The arguement is that he is ALSO, as Senate president, part of the LEGISLATIVE branch, and as such, exempt. Right or wrong, at least criticise Darth for the correct thing

[crockett]

Originally posted by Mace2004
I have nothing but a big SO WHAT about this.  Just another squable between the Executive and Legislative branches.  Sure, Cheney's argument sounds ridiculous but so do accusations against him.  He's just telling the Dems to go stuff it and I don't blame him.  

There's a mighty big jump between disagreeing with an administration's policy or judgement and claiming their motives are invideous or accusing them of criminal intent.

Given the Dems propensity to attack motives and integrity because they themselves have no better ideas I'd prefer Cheney just go on camera and say what he said in the Senate a few years ago when he told a Dem to go F*** himself.

It's not criminal to sell off our govt to the highest bidder?

[john9001]

the whole thing comes down to what "is" is.

"is" cheney in this branch or "is" cheney in that branch, or "is" the democrats having failed to do anything with congress looking for witches to distract the public from their lack of action?

[bj229r]

Originally posted by crockett
It's not criminal to sell off our govt to the highest bidder?

Clinton already sold the best stuff to China, now it's just bargain basement stuff--in 10 years, they progressed to not even being able to put a rocket in orbit, to shooting down @#@#% satellites

[JB88]

Originally posted by john9001
the whole thing comes down to what "is" is.

"is" cheney in this branch or "is" cheney in that branch, or "is" the democrats having failed to do anything with congress looking for witches to distract the public from their lack of action?

oh. gee.  looky there.  the clinton play again.  didn't see that one coming.