Author Topic: which branch of governement is cheney in again? (Read 1809 times)

Mace2004 · « **Reply #60 on:** June 28, 2007, 06:11:02 PM »

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No I tend to be overly un-impressed at a company whom has been caught several times over charging our govt for services which costs me as a tax payer money.

I'm un-impressed at a company whom has had a gravy ride and has made billions on backs of the tax payers of this country. Then has the gull to move it's head quarters to Dubai so it can get out of paying taxes on those very earnings.

As far as Grumman.. contracts get cut and added all the time. Difference is, in the Aviation sector there tends to be competitive bidding between the different companies whom supply our military needs. It's not one big company that runs everything and has a monopoly.

When it comes to the other end. It's all halliburton and it's child companies, there is really no direct competition. Which is a very big diffrence in how things are done.

Just about everything you just said is either wrong or irrelevant. I was not talking about the sad demise of Grumman fighters but rather just trying to give you some sense of proportion when it comes to these debates. It's easy to say "x company earned x billion dollars on the back of the taxpayer" when you don't understand the scope of US government spending. It's not all just Halliburton, there are literally thousands of government contractors, here's a link to just the top 50 from 2003. RS got over $260,000,000 in revenue. Probably 99% of Americans have never even heard of RS or any of the other top 50 contractors.

Here we have an example of an ad-hominum attack on Halliburton typical of hacks just out for sensationalized pablum for the masses. Look at the wording and breathless hysteria and vitriol. Read his entire diatribe and you will see nary a fact, just the previously mentioned breathless hysteria and vitriol. He backs up none of his claims, he just adds more. This, is nonsense.

Mace2004 · « **Reply #61 on:** June 28, 2007, 06:14:01 PM »

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Mace,

Didn't DiFi recently bail from an appropriations commite because it was about to come out that her husband's contracting firm had made billions in direct government contracts while she sat on the commite? No hue and cry from the media.

That's true and, as I've said there are plenty of opportunities for the dishonest to capitalize on the "system". It's unfortunent when a few bad companies and/or government employees tarnish the reputation of all of them and it's even worse when the press ignores some while harping on others.

bj229r · « **Reply #62 on:** June 29, 2007, 08:43:25 AM »

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........ I went to the MacDill AFB clinic yesterday to see a doc...guess what? .......

Is Kojak's ribs still there on Gandy and Bayshore?? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Mace2004 · « **Reply #63 on:** June 29, 2007, 08:54:54 AM »

Yes BJ it is and still crowded at lunch time.

bj229r · « **Reply #64 on:** June 29, 2007, 09:02:07 AM »

I've been to 35-40 states and that is the BEST bbq I've ever had.

Every time I come to Tampa to visit family/friends, I go there on first day. (Well...that and to watch chicks on Bayshore:D )

Mace2004 · « **Reply #65 on:** June 29, 2007, 09:19:43 AM »

Watch it on Bayshore nowdays. Some nitwit on a motorcycle was going 80-90mph and hit a pedestrian a couple of years ago so they've become kinda anal about that road....of course going slower gives a better view. I particularly like about 9 or 10am when all the trophy wifes are out jogging. I assume they're trophy wives...judging by the amount of silicon they could be "professionals".

MORAY37 · « **Reply #66 on:** June 30, 2007, 01:31:25 AM »

Without a long drawn out deliberation....

The action point of this story is simple, and any citizen SHOULD be able to see the forest through the trees.

NO SINGLE PERSON MAKES OR, IS ABOVE THE LAW. This includes the president, vice president.... all the way down to me and you.

The storing of documents into the national archive is mandated and was enacted to provide oversight powers. One elected individual cannot decide whether he is or is not going to follow it. There is no citizen that should EVER debate this in favor of Cheney. Personal feelings aside... and all the side banter... we need to demand those policies are followed. For that matter, do away with executive privilege, even though I fully understand why it is there.

Mace2004 · « **Reply #67 on:** June 30, 2007, 01:47:05 AM »

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Originally posted by MORAY37
Without a long drawn out deliberation....

The action point of this story is simple, and any citizen SHOULD be able to see the forest through the trees.

NO SINGLE PERSON MAKES OR, IS ABOVE THE LAW. This includes the president, vice president.... all the way down to me and you.

The storing of documents into the national archive is mandated and was enacted to provide oversight powers. One elected individual cannot decide whether he is or is not going to follow it. There is no citizen that should EVER debate this in favor of Cheney. Personal feelings aside... and all the side banter... we need to demand those policies are followed. For that matter, do away with executive privilege, even though I fully understand why it is there.

It's not a law Moray, it's an executive order by the President pertaining to the executive branch. Seems to me he can decide who it applies to. Also, just for the sake of argument assume it is a law. If so, laws are regularly tested in court many times to determine what they really mean. Sometimes they're found unconstitutional, sometimes judgements are made regarding exactly what was meant and who they apply to. That's all part of the discussions going on regarding treatment of unlawful combatants, wiretapping, etc., etc., so it's a little simplistic to describe the situation as you do. Executive privilege is also one of those things that can get a bit squishy, but it exists for a very good reason and the Executive branch couldn't function without it.

rpm · « **Reply #68 on:** June 30, 2007, 01:50:43 AM »

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Hey, if Cheney runs the country, he can go to all the funerals he wants to:aok

That would be zero. Funerals are bad press.

Hawco · « **Reply #69 on:** June 30, 2007, 02:18:59 AM »

Just another way of avoiding the questions, don't blame the guy really. wouldn't we all do the same?
On a point of order, i think cherney is Just a money making sheister who would sell his Grandma for two bucks

Hawco · « **Reply #70 on:** June 30, 2007, 02:24:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Mace2004
It's not a law Moray, it's an executive order by the President pertaining to the executive branch. Seems to me he can decide who it applies to. Also, just for the sake of argument assume it is a law. If so, laws are regularly tested in court many times to determine what they really mean. Sometimes they're found unconstitutional, sometimes judgements are made regarding exactly what was meant and who they apply to. That's all part of the discussions going on regarding treatment of unlawful combatants, wiretapping, etc., etc., so it's a little simplistic to describe the situation as you do. Executive privilege is also one of those things that can get a bit squishy, but it exists for a very good reason and the Executive branch couldn't function without it.

what a load of rubbish, the Judges are all dubyas cronies, the Law is only applied if it suits him, All Bush and cheney care about is making cash and lots of it

Mace2004 · « **Reply #71 on:** June 30, 2007, 02:35:00 AM »

Hawco you need to chill out just a bit.

ALL of the judges are Bush's cronies? Don't you think that's a little over the top or do you really believe that Bush has replaced all of those federal judges that have been appointed over what...maybe 30 years?

The simplest answer seems to be that if Bush wants to, all he has to do is issue a new executive order clearly saying what he wants. If he wants to exclude the VP then he can do it, he makes the executive branch rules, after all, he's the one in charge of it (not Congress as the Dems would have you believe)

And, as I've asked before, what evidence (as in actual facts) do you have that the VP has done anything wrong at any time? Surely there must be an indictment or conviction for someone that's as dirty as you seem to think. Or, are you just living by the 30-second sound bites put out by the left in this country? Surely you're not that gulable, or maybe you're thinking back to the Clinton administration. A guy who was actually found guilty of perjury.

Hawco · « **Reply #72 on:** June 30, 2007, 02:49:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Mace2004
Hawco you need to chill out just a bit.

ALL of the judges are Bush's cronies? Don't you think that's a little over the top or do you really believe that Bush has replaced all of those federal judges that have been appointed over what...maybe 30 years?

The simplest answer seems to be that if Bush wants to, all he has to do is issue a new executive order clearly saying what he wants. If he wants to exclude the VP then he can do it, he makes the executive branch rules, after all, he's the one in charge of it (not Congress as the Dems would have you believe)

And, as I've asked before, what evidence (as in actual facts) do you have that the VP has done anything wrong at any time? Surely there must be an indictment or conviction for someone that's as dirty as you seem to think. Or, are you just living by the 30-second sound bites put out by the left in this country? Surely you're not that gulable, or maybe you're thinking back to the Clinton administration. A guy who was actually found guilty of perjury.

get yer bellybutton out of the cockpit and feel some steel on the deck, come face to face with Cheney and the rest of them's policies and you will have a different song to sing, It's alright to sing at 20k with bits of metal flying around below you, try it up front and you'll see what i mean.

john9001 · « **Reply #73 on:** June 30, 2007, 08:43:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Hawco
get yer bellybutton out of the cockpit and feel some steel on the deck, come face to face with Cheney and the rest of them's policies and you will have a different song to sing, It's alright to sing at 20k with bits of metal flying around below you, try it up front and you'll see what i mean.

could someone tell me what that means?

Mace2004 · « **Reply #74 on:** June 30, 2007, 09:45:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Hawco
get yer bellybutton out of the cockpit and feel some steel on the deck, come face to face with Cheney and the rest of them's policies and you will have a different song to sing, It's alright to sing at 20k with bits of metal flying around below you, try it up front and you'll see what i mean.

Hawco, you do realize that emotion is not the same as reason? Just because you have a strong personal dislike of a man doesn't PROVE the guy merits it.