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Offline Angus

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« Reply #255 on: July 14, 2007, 04:59:46 PM »
As a farmer, I can yet only shoot geese in a certain period of the year.
One does not shoot them (logically) in the spring and summer. Season goes off on Aug the 20th in our case, exactly when the youngsters are big enough to eat, and the whole pool starts sweeping up barley fields.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #256 on: July 15, 2007, 04:42:02 AM »
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The land is not yours. It belongs to God, He made it.


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And someone's not going to wonder onto me land


So then, are you gods security guard, or are you and him just tight like that so he gave up a little slice?

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« Reply #257 on: July 15, 2007, 04:57:31 AM »
LOL :aok
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #258 on: July 15, 2007, 10:36:46 AM »
If it's gods land then what the hell are you doing putting electric fences around it and shooting people on gods land?

If snakes have some value for study and science then simply raise them in habitats/labs and kill any that get out.

It is not a tough problem.

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« Reply #259 on: July 15, 2007, 01:56:17 PM »
It isn't the land that I mostly care aboot, it's the things I have on it. Me home, me cars, me family, me life. And raising the amount of snakes it would take to get enough of the medical components of the venom would be an enormous cost. The scientists themselves don't even raise them in captivity. They catch them in the wild, milk the venom, and then release them to where they belong. In the wild. They don't have to feed them, clean up the cages, or other things such as that which would be expensive, and raise the cost of the venom, and therefore the medicine. And the snakes don't do much harm, and they do more good. Being able to stop breast cancer from spreading and growing could save thousands of lives. And these components are so complex that we aren't able to create them in the lab yet, and if we did, it would be expensive and in small quantities, too small to be of use.

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« Reply #260 on: July 15, 2007, 06:04:07 PM »
From Wikipedia;
"Snake farm
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A snake farm refers to a facility which houses and breeds a wide variety of snakes, often for the purpose of research and the collection of venom for the creation of antivenom. Many snake farms are primarily tourist attractions. Notable snake farms exist in the United States and Thailand."

So, you farm snakes to collect venom to create antivenom which is used to treat the snakebites that you get in the wild.
Even if it does not make sence to you Mr.McSnakeland, it's the way it seems to be.

Enjoy the Sunday.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #261 on: July 15, 2007, 07:06:21 PM »
We have a SnW .357mag with mini bird-shot like "snakerounds" that work good...:t
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« Reply #262 on: July 16, 2007, 12:55:15 PM »
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From Wikipedia;
"Snake farm
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A snake farm refers to a facility which houses and breeds a wide variety of snakes, often for the purpose of research and the collection of venom for the creation of antivenom. Many snake farms are primarily tourist attractions. Notable snake farms exist in the United States and Thailand."

So, you farm snakes to collect venom to create antivenom which is used to treat the snakebites that you get in the wild.
Even if it does not make sence to you Mr.McSnakeland, it's the way it seems to be.

Enjoy the Sunday.


Yes, but with the new medications being found, the large amounts of venom that are needed can't just be obtained from snake farms, they are collected from wild snakes that are caught and released. Otherwise the medicines found in the venom would be extremely expensive due to the cost of feeding that many snakes.

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« Reply #263 on: July 16, 2007, 02:37:43 PM »
we need large amounts of venom to create antivenom  to cure people from snakebites.

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« Reply #264 on: July 16, 2007, 05:05:15 PM »
No, not really. Not that many people get bit by snakes. The largest part of venoms collected now go towards research. Such as the new medicines found in them.

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« Reply #265 on: July 16, 2007, 05:09:50 PM »
You also milk wild cattle?
There is a purpouse with a "farm" you know. You keep animals handy, as well as trained, fed and cared for, for maximum performance.

Me thinks you are BS'ing.
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« Reply #266 on: July 16, 2007, 05:18:25 PM »
Well, I am not. A lot of the venom collected is wild caught. Keeping them in captivity would be very expensive, as you would need food sources, clean cages, and trained handlers. And snakes don't have a "maximum performance". They have a set amount of venom. Therefore, catching them out of the wild and collecting the venom, and then releasing them, you don't have to feed them or cage them. You just have to find them, which isn't that hard if you know how and where to look. In fact some places will let you bring them snakes you've found, or come and pick them up. It's just cheaper and easier that way.

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« Reply #267 on: July 17, 2007, 08:49:24 AM »
their venom is either worth it or not.  raise em or don't.   If it takes that much venom for research then the research is shoddy.

but...

You still haven't told us what gun you like for killing snakes.

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« Reply #268 on: July 17, 2007, 12:07:08 PM »
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their venom is either worth it or not. raise em or don't. If it takes that much venom for research then the research is shoddy.


No, the research is not shoddy. It takes a lot of venom to get the individual compounds out in any quantity. Firs they have to dehydrate the venom, which takes away a large amount. Then they have to take out the individual compounds to study, some of which only account for 3% of the venom mass. Then they are able to study what each compound does. It takes even more venom to make enough to be able to use it in medicine. The large amounts of venom needed would be extremely expensive if they had to feed the snakes. This would cause the medicine itself to be very expensive, and not as many people would be able to afford it. And the medicine is very much worth it. The compound is able to keep breast cancer (and possibly other cancers) from spreading and growing. This could save thousands of lives, and improve many others. And the medicine has no side affects, a benefit no other cancer treatment has.

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« Reply #269 on: July 17, 2007, 02:48:58 PM »
sounds like bs to me.. they could do it much more effectively by simply raising the snakes themselves in a habitat.   If it takes swimming pools of the stuff then it is not worth it.

so again... how many people have been cured (other than people cured from .... snake bites) by snake venom?

How many have been killed or injured by snakes?

I will continue to kill em.

but you never did answer... what is a good gun for killing them in your opinion?

or can you just use your lucky charms to put a spell one em?

lazs