Author Topic: Guns for killing snakes (Read 6466 times)

McFarland · « **Reply #240 on:** July 13, 2007, 01:28:20 PM »

"Cruelty shall reign when man has lost all sense." - Unknown

Guess we've now lost all sense. Snakes shouldn't be killed for no reason. They are good for the environment. And many of the components of their venom have been found to be usefull in medicines. An extract from copperhead venom has been found to be usefull in fighting cancer, becuase it keeps only the cancer cells from growing, and can kill the cancer over time. It also has no side affects. Venom from the Gila monster has been found to contain a chemical that can help patients with diabetes, as it controls the amount of sugar that cells take in. It is possible that it can also help the body begin producing it's own insulin. Toxins from the pufferfish contains a compound that can help people with chronic pain, and it has no side affects like other pain releivers. The venom of the Australian funnel web spider has components that are species specific, and can be used to control pests without affecting anything else around them. Many other venoms are beginning to have beneficial components found in them that can help many other diseases and illnesses. And once these species are gone, we have lost all these cures. And there are still many more cures to be found. who knows what else may be found?

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I don't advocate killing manta rays... or any ocean creature.. that is their environment... I stay out of it. Land is mine... just as other animals kill animals in their territitory.. I kill snakes in mine. snakes are worthless and dangerous.

Snakes are not worthless, they keep the pest population down, and are good at doing such. They have evolved to fit such a role, and they should be left alone to do such. The land is not yours. It belongs to God, He made it. And it is for every other species on Earth. It isn't just for us. It was made for everything to live on. The indians understood that. Snakes aren't dangerous for the most part. Very few are aggressive, and very few are venomous. Killing a garter snake is not justified. One can easily tell the difference between them and venomous species. Same for milk snakes, black snakes, DeKay's snakes, water snakes, vine snakes, and other species. When you kill them, you can't say "I thought it was venomous", because they are very easily identified. You just think all snakes are bad, which is idiotic, stupid, ignorant behavior, and deems you as such. People were not put here by God to make every species of animal go extinct, except the ones we like. We should respect the many species of life on this planet, once they are extinct, they can't be brought back.

FBBone · « **Reply #241 on:** July 13, 2007, 02:46:35 PM »

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Originally posted by McFarland
"Cruelty shall reign when man has lost all sense." - Unknown

Guess we've now lost all sense. Snakes shouldn't be killed for no reason. They are good for the environment. And many of the components of their venom have been found to be usefull in medicines. An extract from copperhead venom has been found to be usefull in fighting cancer, becuase it keeps only the cancer cells from growing, and can kill the cancer over time. It also has no side affects. Venom from the Gila monster has been found to contain a chemical that can help patients with diabetes, as it controls the amount of sugar that cells take in. It is possible that it can also help the body begin producing it's own insulin. Toxins from the pufferfish contains a compound that can help people with chronic pain, and it has no side affects like other pain releivers. The venom of the Australian funnel web spider has components that are species specific, and can be used to control pests without affecting anything else around them. Many other venoms are beginning to have beneficial components found in them that can help many other diseases and illnesses. And once these species are gone, we have lost all these cures. And there are still many more cures to be found. who knows what else may be found?

Snakes are not worthless, they keep the pest population down, and are good at doing such. They have evolved to fit such a role, and they should be left alone to do such. The land is not yours. It belongs to God, He made it. And it is for every other species on Earth. It isn't just for us. It was made for everything to live on. The indians understood that. Snakes aren't dangerous for the most part. Very few are aggressive, and very few are venomous. Killing a garter snake is not justified. One can easily tell the difference between them and venomous species. Same for milk snakes, black snakes, DeKay's snakes, water snakes, vine snakes, and other species. When you kill them, you can't say "I thought it was venomous", because they are very easily identified. You just think all snakes are bad, which is idiotic, stupid, ignorant behavior, and deems you as such. People were not put here by God to make every species of animal go extinct, except the ones we like. We should respect the many species of life on this planet, once they are extinct, they can't be brought back.

Come down off your high horse now. You're quite the hypocrite saying in one post its ok to shoot a kid that might have wandered on your property but in another that a snake must live. Theres a CHANCE that the snake will harm me or my kids, so he must die, just like you say theres a CHANCE someone on your property will harm you, so you'll shoot him on sight. Give me a break.

lazs2 · « **Reply #242 on:** July 13, 2007, 02:49:38 PM »

they are obsolete.. cats do a better job. If you think that they may have some use for em then keep some of each in laboratories.

but you never did say...

what gun do you like for killing snakes? same one yu use on the UPS man?

it's ok for you to kill people who wander onto your property but not poisonous snakes..

Yeah.. you hill yahoos have really got your priorities straight.

lazs

Meatwad · « **Reply #243 on:** July 13, 2007, 02:50:42 PM »

For some reason, PETA wars v.2 sounds very tempting

McFarland · « **Reply #244 on:** July 13, 2007, 02:50:59 PM »

There isn't any violent crime here, and there are no mice, so I think we got it figured out.

McFarland · « **Reply #245 on:** July 13, 2007, 02:56:03 PM »

And someone's not going to wonder onto me land, they have to cross an electric fence, a river, or a climb a ridge. If they want on me property, they can ask. If they don't they are tresspassing, and may be dangerous. The difference between them and a snake is that the snake is harmless, they may not be.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #246 on:** July 13, 2007, 07:29:17 PM »

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Originally posted by McFarland
Snakes are not worthless

Well for once you are right. They make great target practice.

Wes14 · « **Reply #247 on:** July 13, 2007, 07:34:44 PM »

Boom....Good snake?

Jackal1 · « **Reply #248 on:** July 13, 2007, 07:38:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Wes14
Boom....Good snake?

You got it.

Shamus · « **Reply #249 on:** July 13, 2007, 07:44:19 PM »

Just remember..if you are going to trespass on McFarlands place, wear a snake costume.

shamus

McFarland · « **Reply #250 on:** July 13, 2007, 08:19:56 PM »

Well, it is people like you guys that hinder scientific progress in the medical field by making species extinct before science can fully explore them. Copperhead venom contains a component that can help cancer patients. Or do you beleive that cancer is something that just takes out part of the gene pool and that people with cancer have been "called by Darwin"? Or patients with diabetes?

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A component in Gila monster venom contains a compound that can help people who suffer with diabetes. It regulates the amount of sugar that enters a cell, and has the possibilty to help the body make its own insulin. Toxin from the pufferfish contains a compound that can help people with chronic pain, and it has no side affects like other pain releivers. The venom of the Australian funnel web spider has components that are species specific, and can be used to control pests without affecting anything else around them. Many other venoms are beginning to have beneficial components found in them that can help many other diseases and illnesses. And once these species are gone, we have lost all these cures. And there are still many more cures to be found. who knows what else may be found?

This is all true, these things have been found. And the best part aboot them - they have no side affects. Kill these "harmfull" species, and you lose the medicines that can be found in them. And you cause the death or suffering of the thousands of patients who suffer from these illnesses.

Latrobe · « **Reply #251 on:** July 13, 2007, 08:21:06 PM »

do as the crocodile hunter does

McFarland · « **Reply #252 on:** July 13, 2007, 08:23:18 PM »

Everything I said in that last post, it's all true. You can do the research, and you'll find it is.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #253 on:** July 14, 2007, 04:57:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
Just remember..if you are going to trespass on McFarlands place, wear a snake costume.

shamus

Yea, but then you would be forced into the touchy feely torture test.

DieAz · « **Reply #254 on:** July 14, 2007, 03:33:52 PM »

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Here in the winter the geese are absolute hell on the winter wheat crops. Even though they arent in season, its very common to just walk out past the bins and kill as many as you can.

No one around here cares except for the animal rights sissies. Even then, most of the game wardens have family/relation that farm so they wont do nothing except compliment you on how many you shot

Geese + wheat = dead geese

in most States,
farmers have the right to defend their livelihood from destruction by wild animals. geese destroying a wheat field = legal geese killing time.
squirrels in a corn crib full of corn = legal squirrel killing time.
rats around feed bins = legal rat killing time.
predators killing/stealing livestocks = legal predator killing time. (horse stealing might still be a hanging offense in some states.)
if it can be shown that any wild animal, is the source of destruction of any income producing Tax Revenue = legal dead wild animal.

side note, I was looking up the regulations etc for making Alcohol fuels.
by law some of the larger Distilleries has an on premises BATFE (IRS) agent office. reason being, so they can make certain all the taxes are paid and waive the rules and laws when ever it threatens the production and the Revenue that the Gov't gets. (go to the BATFE .gov website and look it up.)

it almost looks like , if you line the IRS's pocket and you can get away with about anything.
try to avoid through deductions = heavy audits.
try to evade = get locked up or killed in a raid.

a couple weeks ago, I was reading an old Small Business Management book that was used for college courses. in one chapter, they had an example of a 11 year old boy with a red wagon, selling coffee and donuts to commuters, motorists, waiting through traffic jams. Gov't heard about Billy's Breakfast, they cracked down on the boy. spent tens of thousands, just to collect a total of 22 cents in taxes. after a big writeup in papers about it, they (the Gov't) later claimed the laws wasn't for casual businesses and that whole thing was a mistake. (happened in the 70'a or early 80's, I can't remember offhand.)

anyway, back to the topic, a black powder LeMat would be a nice snake killer. LeMat from Cabelas
Cavalry version, 9 shot .44 with a nice 20 gauge 5" smooth bore. (if it is functional.)