Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of fair play

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Ghastly
It's HTC's game, they can (obviously) do what they want with it.  

And I do like the concept of ENY, as I understood it originally - a mechanism to prevent one side from steamrolling the other side.  But the problem is that in practice, I can't honestly say I've ever seen it doing that.  I see an awful lot of 80% of the players on a side at one front, while the remaining 20% are trying to defend the other front at 5 to 1 odds against the 80% of the players playing for that country which are pitted against them - (and getting generally steamrolled of course in the process).  

Way too much of the time it seems as though the choice when you sign in is to join the big bunch and whomp on one side or join the little bunch and get whomped on.  And even when I've seen ENY kick in, it doesn't generally seem to change that in the slightest.  Some guys log, and a bunch of guys sit in the tower and complain, and the majority continue trying to overwhelm the other side with numbers, usually with enough of a numbers advantage to negate the limitations of the aircraft they've been limited to.

In fact, the biggest impact ENY has from what I can see is usually on the "forgotten" guys who were already locally outnumbered trying to defend at the other end at the map - who give up trying to defend at that point and go join the herd at the other end. From what I can see the higher ENY climbs, the more it simply concentrates the players further in one giant herd as everyone groups up.  

My biggest frustration the other night was that I'd spent the night flying from the CV along side a bunch of guys, and as soon as the Rooks took a field, a significant number of players on the other side logged, and the CV mission - which was 2 1/2 or 3 sectors away from any furball I might add - stalled and fell apart completely.

I can fly any plane in the game and do reasonably well in it.  It wasn't about the choice of plane - except by proxy, the plane (F6F) that was chosen for the mission was ENY'ed out at launch time and the whole thing turned into  a CF, fell apart, and the night ended abruptly as the mission splintered.

I was upset because a game mechanic which adds very little to my PERSONAL enjoyment of the game - and which moreover doesn't seem do do diddlysquat if I understand what it's supposed to do - managed to end something I had been enjoying abruptly, stone cold.

Maybe ENY should be set for each player at the point where it is when they log in or change sides - and remain at that level until they log out or change sides again.  At least then it would encourage sideswitching to the lower side when you log in and discourage switching to the higher side later in the game. It would also end the current nonsense of sitting in the tower hoping to wait it out, and it wouldn't interfere and penalize those players who chose a side when the numbers were even.  Nor would it further handicap those players who are already fighting with a local numbers disadvantage.

Or even better yet it should be applied locally in the first place, and then it might actually work (if the intent is to even the playing field).

Unless of course the intent is to have players simply log in frustration, in which case there's no reason to change it at all - from what I can see it does a pretty good job of it already.

That's all.  Rant over.  

Spot on there Ghastly.

Missions are a real pain, yup it should be locked at the ENY when the mission was posted.
Can't count the amount of times it changes before the mission launches and all of a sudden you don't have a mission anymore.

Problem isn't really even getting people to switch sides, it's stopping people logging or hopping to the other arena.

Then again the arena hopping problem was foretold as soon as the LW arena split.
It was an obvious outcome of having multiple arenas to choose from.

ENY and the multiple arenas are actually counter productive under the current game format.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Widewing
I really tried, honestly. I gave the benefit of the doubt. I reiterated to make sure I was clear. I explained things in a concise and easy to understand manner.

Nonetheless, you have utterly missed the point... I'm not surprised.

Let's see if you can follow this, it isn't difficult: I am scheduled to be in the TA tonight and tomorrow night. Understand? That's a commitment. I have people scheduled for Training. I can, however, set aside a few minutes to play tag and we'll see if you're the hotshot you think you are.

You know where, you know when, I've said it three times already. Show up or go away.

My regards,

Widewing

Yeah, it don't work that way does it?  I'm not showing up anywhere you ask me to.  You show up where I ask you.  Does that compute?  If  you are busy, we meet another day but it wont be in the TA.  Take sometime off your 5" guns next time you are in the MA (unless thats a comitment too, lol).  Its not about me being a hot shot.  Its about the planes, Understand? lol
 
Now, you know where.  Just say when or go away and post something about how good you are in some some plane.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Lusche
Both pilots being at least average sticks of same skill level? The 109F pilot would utilize his power advantage and take the fight into the vertical instead of simple flat turning with the HurriII. Having both greater ROC & level speed, he can disengage and reengage at will.
And take note that full flaps out both turn radius and turn rate are very close, so the HurriII has a small turnign advantage but a huge power/climb/speed/acceleration disadvantage.

I agree, the F should win if flown good/right.  However, the cannons on the hurri could end the fight fast with a snapshot.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by dedalos
I agree, the F should win if flown good/right.  However, the cannons on the hurri could end the fight fast with a snapshot.

Absolutely. Flying in front of the Hurri's cannons sends you back to the tower immediately.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Lusche
Absolutely. Flying in front of the Hurri's cannons sends you back to the tower immediately.

Hey you mentioned you have kills in the IID in another thread.  Was it GVs?  Where they full kills or did a panzer finish them off?  I cant kill anything with that thing.  What do you aim for?

[Lusche]

Originally posted by dedalos
Hey you mentioned you have kills in the IID in another thread.  Was it GVs?  Where they full kills or did a panzer finish them off?  I cant kill anything with that thing.  What do you aim for?

Only 2 kills of airplanes, the remaining 122 being GVs. Most of them Panzer, M4's and T34. I also was able to get 10 Tigers.

The overwhelming majority (>90%) were clean kills.

I posted a small guide on tankbusting a few days ago in the Help & Training Forum (Including a few short clips): http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=209030

[DadRabit]

well said ghastly.   i still wish ENY woyld be completely done away with.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by dedalos
Yeah, it don't work that way does it?  I'm not showing up anywhere you ask me to.  You show up where I ask you.  Does that compute?  If  you are busy, we meet another day but it wont be in the TA.  Take sometime off your 5" guns next time you are in the MA (unless thats a comitment too, lol).  Its not about me being a hot shot.  Its about the planes, Understand? lol
 
Now, you know where.  Just say when or go away and post something about how good you are in some some plane.

See if this computes: Sod off.

You offered a challenge, I previously specified the terms and then repeated the terms 3 times, you didn't show. Simple...

I'll wager that you don't show again tonight too. Nonetheless, I'll be in the TA doing my job, but not expecting much from you because you seem to lack the requisite hair on your backside.

Too bad you didn't show up last night. Bearkats showed up for some duels, and DadRabit joined us too. Everyone had fun. No egos, no smack talking, just a good time.

My regards,

Widewing

[DadRabit]

S!

was a blast.  glad i dont see u guys too often in the ma  
only thing i could turn with ya'll was the 163  

just goes to show you that even though folks disagree on issues in the game.  once u fly with em and hear the voice on the other end, perceptions change and the fun begins.

S! gents

[Widewing]

Originally posted by DadRabit
S!

was a blast.  glad i dont see u guys too often in the ma  
only thing i could turn with ya'll was the 163  

just goes to show you that even though folks disagree on issues in the game.  once u fly with em and hear the voice on the other end, perceptions change and the fun begins.

S! gents

It was a hoot. Thanks to all, DadRabit, Optiker, Fuzeman, CPR, coolie, BearKats, CpMorgan, Kiapolo and WMDnow. Everyone had a ball. guys.

My regards,

Widewing

[ink]

Originally posted by Lusche
Absolutely. Flying in front of the Hurri's cannons sends you back to the tower immediately.

unless im in that hurri then you might have a chance cuz my gunnery sux *****,
but im drinking milk and someday ill be all grown up....

[pluck]

i like the idea of locking planes in for missions.

as said earlier, i think people leave the game when there is about to be a reset, which also is a very low proportion of the time.

eny so far seems like the solution for HTC.  I never thought it really fulfills it's purpose.  just tonight, i think it was blue arena, i log on, 100 rooks, 115 bish, and 50 nits..... those numbers are not even close.  now it is nice that someone should have to win the war and restart, but why not make a game of it and have countries able to win on strategery and skill....

the way i see it, if you don't like eny, and you want a fair game, i'm not sure what options are left but to start to limit country sizes...or as tried in the past limit areas of attack.

people seem to hate most ideas about side balancing, and what strikes me most is the me, me, me, mine, I, my way or highway side of viewpoint.  seems to me at times people care more about themselves than the rest of the community, which ironically they depend on to play the game.  sometimes i think it would be nice for people to take a step back, and consider the issue from a community standpoint, instead of what is best for me at any given time. I know it your 15$, but someone else is spending $15 too....and yes i realize some people don't care all, as long as it doesn't affect them.

[Renotrigger]

I pay $15 a month to fly but the ENY really stinks. I mean when in any war did the Commanders say " Sorry we can't up that plane, the enemy doesn't have enough pilots." This ENY stuff is not fair to anyone. Who thought of this ENY anyway. I was playing today in MWOrange and the ENY was going up and down faster than Enron stock at the close. I mean one flight it would be at 2.8 then the next 28.2 where is the fairness in that. I'm not talking about a couple of hours I'm talking seconds. Since when is War Fair. If war was fair it's would never be over. Get rid of the ENY crap...PLEASE.
And this isn't just me this is almost everyone I have heard or chatted with on AH. I have yet to hear someone say it was fair to have the ENY.
Why not start a poll and go with what ppl say is fair.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Renotrigger
I pay $15 a month to fly but the ENY really stinks. I mean when in any war did the Commanders say " Sorry we can't up that plane, the enemy doesn't have enough pilots."  (...)Since when is War Fair. If war was fair it's would never be over.

I got news for you. This isn't war. It's a game.

[Renotrigger]

I understand it's a game but I thought it was a war simulation, you know attack the enemy take bases. "SIMULATION" I mean they got everything almost perfect with the planes and damage and GVs and all but the ENY is frustating. most people don't leave at the end of the map but when the ENY get to outrages. You have one team able to fly anything and 2 other teams. only able to fly limit selections. what is fair in that. That is why I said start a poll and see what everyone thinks. Than decide if there should be ENY restrictions.