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Offline SteveBailey

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« Reply #90 on: August 11, 2007, 03:29:27 PM »
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What about the rest of the entire US fighters? 51 can't turn w/ them, isn'tt close to most of them


I did say that, and  I was right.  The info you are using to compare turning, with just /one of the US planes is outdated I believe.  Like I said, the 51 can't turn with US, in fact, just about all the fighters.

Widewing's post clearly justfies me as correct.  I'm sorry you don't like it but the 51 is clearly outclassed by it LW contemporaries.


Edit: Most of the 47's, 38, and f4u's were mid war entries, compared to the D stang we are discussing
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« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2007, 03:45:57 PM »
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Originally posted by bozon
Nice.
So either it does not "sux" or you have the abilities of a jedi. Where exactly is the problem, not whining about those 43 deaths are you?


I guess we are just going to have to disagree.  You think the pony is a great ride and I think it is outclassed by it's LW contemporaries. Oddly, statistics bear out my assertion quite clearly.  

FWIW, I'm no Jedi.  Even though I think the pony sux in relation to other late war rides, it does have a couple of strengths, that I've already mentioned, in the MA.

As Mtnman suggests,  I try to utilize the strengths of high speed handling(I stay in the vert mostly), speed and excellent views to get kills . I try a few other things related to ability* but within the limits of the plane.  Contrary to the way most people fly the 51, I rarely go over 6-8k, that's plenty for the MA.  One benefit is that if you do this you will get really proficient at avoiding higher attackers, lol.

The next question that may come to your mind is why I fly the pony then if it sucks.  I fly the pony because of its history, my dad was always enamoured with it, and I think it's a beautiful plane.  :)

*I'm not making any claims to have any talent at this game, that's for others to decide.


Steve
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« Reply #92 on: August 11, 2007, 04:21:10 PM »
Just leave it at this: the P-51 is good at what it's designed to be: Fast, long range, good high-speed handling and good handling at high altitude.
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« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2007, 05:01:31 PM »
No no no no....

The best plane is ofcourse P-47. It is uber!:furious


 Uriel said so!!!!:furious :furious
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« Reply #94 on: August 11, 2007, 05:04:57 PM »
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No no no no....

The best plane is ofcourse P-47. It is uber!:furious


 Uriel said so!!!!:furious :furious



lol  I read couple of his rants  errr posts... good stuff.
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« Reply #95 on: August 11, 2007, 05:27:43 PM »
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
The next question that may come to your mind is why I fly the pony then if it sucks.  I fly the pony because of its history, my dad was always enamoured with it, and I think it's a beautiful plane.  :)

I wish more players were like that.
My favorites are P47, F6F and the Mosquito. I don't think any model beats the poor Mossie for combination of worst modeling option and problematic FM, though Pyro said it is being fixed. Our Hellcat is still missing quite a few mph.

Yet, with all their problems they don't "sux". They are still competative in the MA and extremely so in their natural enviromnent of the MWA and scenarios. Regardless of modeled right or wrong, our P51D is a very viable ride, as you prove yourself. With K/D approaching 20:1 in your hands, you clearly can take on anything. I don't believe in flying the planes "strengths" in AH - for me it is much more fun to do the opposite, maybe that is why I don't feel it sux. I actually don't fly it much because I feel it is too easy. Perhaps I should fly it more.

If you think P51D is modeled wrong, just post the data. For gameplay purposes it is more than fine, as your stats show.

BTW, as for "best prop plane ever" my vote is divided between F6F and the Mosquito :p
It all depend on the definition of best.
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« Reply #96 on: August 11, 2007, 07:24:18 PM »
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I wish more players were like that.

If you think P51D is modeled wrong, just post the data.
 


Honestly, I don't know enough about modeling to say if it is correct or not.  I know that one of the updates really screwed with its flapped turning ability, Widewing could set us straight on the details.  I love the mossie and am eagerly waiting it's "fix".  :aok
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« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2007, 11:35:30 AM »
personaly i find ALL US aircraft disapointing. I like the spit IX as it accelerats out of the blocks fantastic great roll rate and turn .  Compare that to te P51 and i soon find it in trouble if the speed drops. I also like the Fw-190A8 it's again very fast accel great gun package. roll rate is fantastic for scissors fights. holds on to it's E for forever.

thats my pennies worth.
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« Reply #98 on: August 12, 2007, 11:49:15 AM »
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I also like the Fw-190A8 it's again very fast accel great gun package. roll rate is fantastic for scissors fights.  


The 190A8 is a very mediocre aircraft in regards to acceleration. Up to 200 mph the acceleration is similar to a P-51D, above that, the Pony actually accelerates faster than a A8.
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Offline B3YT

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« Reply #99 on: August 12, 2007, 02:10:08 PM »
ok just seems to accel faster then
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« Reply #100 on: August 12, 2007, 04:48:11 PM »
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personaly i find ALL US aircraft disapointing. I like the spit IX as it accelerats out of the blocks fantastic great roll rate and turn .  Compare that to te P51 and i soon find it in trouble if the speed drops. I also like the Fw-190A8 it's again very fast accel great gun package. roll rate is fantastic for scissors fights. holds on to it's E for forever.

thats my pennies worth.


Aw, US aircraft are uber! They taught me how to really fly.
The Spitfire LF IX is actually my favourite plane, that and the Spitfire Mk.Vc (ever since I was a kid), but if you really give the US planes a chance, they do amazingly well.

Or try the Ki-84. Flies easy like a Spitfire but rolls like a monster.

I would say 'try the Spitfire XVI' but that plane's too common as it is, and it's not Spitfirey enough for me liking. :D
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« Reply #101 on: August 13, 2007, 12:26:42 PM »
As for DokGonzo's page, I believe he's confirmed it's based off of the current (recoded) airflow version (post 2.6). It should be accurate. As it's modeled in-game, the P51 can turn better than or equal to (depending on flaps used) other late war US planes with the exception of the freakish ( :t ) F4us.
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« Reply #102 on: August 13, 2007, 02:42:41 PM »
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As it's modeled in-game, the P51 can turn better than or equal to (depending on flaps used) other late war US planes with the exception of the freakish ( :t ) F4us.


Dude, you are just plain wrong. Read Widewing's post, please so we can put this to rest.
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« Reply #103 on: August 13, 2007, 02:54:33 PM »
WW was perhaps exaggerating with his "everything but 190s" comment.

I believe he was talking about the entire planeset (including zeros, f4fs, hurricanes, spitfires, etc). In THAT regards, the P51 is below average. But, most US planes are "below average" in turning, compared to the entire planeset. Compared to other US planes? I don't think even YOU can claim the P47 turns better than the P51. You've seen the turn radius chart, with full flaps the P51B matches the P38 for turning with flaps, and the 51D is a little behind that.

Not to mention all the speed/climb/acceleration data I included (secondary to the turn radius, but still a factor in "suck" or "not suck"...

Hey I'm not saying it accelerates like a 163, or that it turns like a a6m2. I'm saying you're incorrect to state it's the worst turning plane in all the late ware US planes, and that it accelerates slowly, and etc etc etc.

I'm not some wild fanatical P51 fan, but I've flown it enough and FOUGHT it enough to know it turns a damn sight better than you give it credit for.
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« Reply #104 on: August 13, 2007, 03:25:41 PM »
i find the spit XVI disapointing too.   I fly the US planes if i'm mud moving or escort.  they just seem to lack ....i dunno.....something that the hurri , spit, typhon, mossie has (an i don't mean that becuase they are british) . Of the late war planes only the LA5/7 and maybe the 190 i find suit me.   Mind you i only seem to fly well in a CAP'ed airspace when i'm at the dissadvantage. Must be the brit underdog in me :noid :D :p
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