A general question

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
I'm starting to realize why many of the older guys call this "the kiddy forum" and refuse to post here.

You should lighten up a bit...

[Gryphons]

Originally posted by Rich46yo

I'm starting to realize why many of the older guys call this "the kiddy forum" and refuse to post here

I think the free multiplayer is sometimes refered to as the "kiddie forum," you posted in the general forum.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
I'm starting to realize why many of the older guys call this "the kiddy forum" and refuse to post here.

Since you directly referred to me, I'll go ahead and respond to you, against my better judgement. I'm 39.  It was a joke. Since you're all 'adult' and so put out by a bit of gentle razzing, maybe you'll get this reference:




Lighten up, Francis.

[Sweet2th]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
How far from a enemy airbase do you have to be before you cant be seen by fighters?

The standard setting is

Fighter Warning range:63360


I got this number by selecting the Ndilses map and setting it up offline.Then i clicked on Options, then Arena Set up, then Environment, then Arena Settings.I scrolled down to where it says Fighter Warning Range.This is from the tower only mind you.


I hope it helped.

BTW: just ignore the DDD's around here.

[Patches1]

Not long ago you posted about having flown against several Corsairs. You lost two B-17 Drones on the first attack...and then you killed the the Corsair whom you said "flew stupidly" on your 3rd B-17.

Then you praised the pilot of the Corsair who flew patiently enough to kill your last B-17.

Then you stated that you were flying some AR-234's and a Corsair dived upon you and actually got some hits upon you before you activated your RATO packs and ran away.

Well, Sir....you didn't run into a bunch of Corsairs...you ran into me...just me. I hunt bombers and I can read a map. I also fly Bombers from time to time so I know the "Flight Profile" many bombers take.

You probably need to learn how to read the map; once you do, your bombing efforts will be rewarded.

You should also take to heart what Ghastly posted.

!

[Rich46yo]

Did I mention your name son? Other then in praise? As I have Lusche multiple times and many others? Have I ever failed to give a to anyone that beat me in fair combat? No, of course not! So spare me the attitude and try and read my words correctly, tho I give you credit at least you dont pipe in with a smart-Aleck/squeaker one liner.

                         Lets start from scratch here ok? You all seem to think Im talking about you personally, why I dont know. Funny this happened at the same time many of you were ruining another thread of mine. I was in a Lanc under friendly radar coverage. Up ahead, a sector and 1/2, "it was in the one arena with the water", I saw a bogie in one of the approaching radars. 4 times I changed my heading to avoid it and "4" times he changed his to match mine exactly. As it turned out one of my own guys ran him off but you should have heard me laughing thinking about all of you here.

                    Now you dont need to be a rocket scientist or a ghetto street cop to figure out whats going on here. You'all say we aint supposed to talk about it, even tho you continue to, but what would it hurt to have the option to turn off your own green dot signature? I aint talking about the Bars that shows activity, or, the radars.

                Cheating?? hahahah, of course people are cheating. They cheat everywhere and every how  no matter where your at or what you do. You should see some of the cheats I have to deal with everyday.

              So go to the bathroom, wipe yourself, and come back a grownup. I AINT TALKING ABOUT ANY OF YOU PERSONALLY!!!! And I'll seeya in the land of the green dots.

Originally posted by Patches1
Not long ago you posted about having flown against several Corsairs. You lost two B-17 Drones on the first attack...and then you killed the the Corsair whom you said "flew stupidly" on your 3rd B-17.

Then you praised the pilot of the Corsair who flew patiently enough to kill your last B-17.

Then you stated that you were flying some AR-234's and a Corsair dived upon you and actually got some hits upon you before you activated your RATO packs and ran away.

Well, Sir....you didn't run into a bunch of Corsairs...you ran into me...just me. I hunt bombers and I can read a map. I also fly Bombers from time to time so I know the "Flight Profile" many bombers take.

You probably need to learn how to read the map; once you do, your bombing efforts will be rewarded.

You should also take to heart what Ghastly posted.

!

[Scca]

Originally posted by SkyRock
OK, I'm here, what's the problem?

arrogant but

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
If its only 10,000' then without doubt there is something going on.

10,000 yards, not feet.  10k feet displays as 3k yards on icon range.


Edit.  By the way.  I have not seen the actual visual dot range for the game stated anywhere, but if you wanted to confirm ranges....The film viewer should give you the answer by way of what ranges that other players (who have not started or ended flight) appear and disappear from the plane data list.

[trigger2]

Originally posted by 5PointOh
Huh?

i think he's asking how far from an enemy base you have to be to show up on radar, if your flyin under the radar, you can be right over it, but above radar, depends on range, on the map right click and click on radar ranges or whatever
and about the whole green dot thing, yes it's possible for people to "spy" but it's running off of honor and it's there so that you know whats goin on and where, where you might be needed, and where people are you can team up with...

[VonMessa]

2 Cents.

     Squaddies will help each other.  Spies will exist.  Fly other than NOE, you will be noticed.  You MAY be the victim of cartoon espionage.  

1. Country channel is evil. Mission UP, Troops otw to Axx, etc really is not something to broadcast.  007 IS out there and WILL tell someone else in another country.

2.  If you suspect said cartoon espionage, check the roster.  Find the pilot who downed you.  Is he in a squad?  If yes, sort roster by squads.  Are ALL the players in that particular squad in the same country? If no, problem solved.  You have found a spy!  Call INTERPOL.

3. If in a squad, communicate only with them about tactical info.  

4. Safety in numbers.  More bombers = more armament.  Flown tightly means more fighters vaporized.

5.  Flying alone, in the middle of timbuktu at 20k, while putting up a dar bar?  Chances are someone with the patience of "der Jager" (probably Lusche ) WILL find you.  It's not rocket science, its not even cartoon science.

     As all before me have stated, dar bar in the middle of nowhere means high buffs.  If you take into account (by looking at war status) what bases of opportunity are along or near flight path and what targets are still up, one can extrapolate where the buffs are going.  

     You may or may have been spied upon, but chances are, you have been outfoxed.   Not to insult you but if you fly alone in the middle of nowhere without support someone will gun you down.

 

[xbrit]

The real question is why get so uptight about it? you die go get another plane they are free.

[Ghosth]

First off real cheating is VERY very rare here. I've seen perhaps 3 instances of it in 6 years. All 3 were caught and banned for life. So ease up on the C word.

Second, using anything that is programed into the game is not cheating. That is up to and including the .p gameid  to send someone on the other team a message.

However, quite frankly I really doubt anyone is quite that worried about you.
As was said above many times, no one cares about a single buff formation.

As to radar

There is no upper alt limit, you could be at 50,000 and still show up on the sector bars. Dot radar is limited to the range of the reporting station.
Right click on your clipboard map, select radar to bring up the circles. Stay out of them and you stay out of dot radar. However your still going to be showing on sector bars. And any decent pilot can pretty easily tell where you are NOT in a sector, thus narrowing down his search.

No cheating, no spying, just the way the game is played.
The sooner you accept it the quicker you'll find yourself fitting in and making friends.

NO one likes to be accused of cheating. As that accusation is taken incredibly seriously around here.

[comet61]

Being a buff driver, I personally look forward to a little "action". It is indeed easy to discern dar bar for the enemy looking for "buff kills". But...to get a "buff kill" they have to find you then kill you. Flying a 90min mission can be very boring if you don't get some action at all. Real yawnsville. I, myself have encountered many 163's and have killed a few. I would say that my missions are usually 75% successful. If I can make the drop and still get killed, I succeeded in my mission....to me that is, anyway. I have no problem having to duel a fighter or two, it's what makes the game interesting. You will not succeed in every mission, but in saying that neither do they. It's good gunnery practice for us and them as well. Really no harm nor foul. Cheating? maybe, maybe not. Don't care. I still get the action instead of a 90min dull mission.

1. Avoid all radar sectors (rings)

2. Dar Bar will be visiable to the enemy and usually can be interrpeted for buffs....good.

3. Plan ahead your course and mission goals. Make a mission if you want.

4. To be killed, they need to find and get to you first.

5. The enemy may report over their text radio your present position just like we do for CV's. That's the nature of the game.

6. Milkruns are OK, but unevenful. Make a mission with a risk.

7. Ask for a gunner, or just practice your own.

8. Don't worry about cheaters, it's a waste of time.

9. Have fun and shake it off.

[CAFghost]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
Dot visability is 10k, meaning you can see a dot once they are with in 10k of you.

On the map friendly dots are shown always, even those below dar (500 above ground level), my guess, is because then you know "where to fight is". if you see a bunch of friendlies heading to a base you might want to tag along. Makes it easy for people to "join in the fun" Enemy dots are only shown while inside an active radar circle, as long as they are above 500.

Bar dar is the bars that are at the top of each sector on the map showing the enemy strenght in the air of that sector. The bigger the bar the more planes.

The "cheating" your talking about isn't cheating, its called spying ( you are alowed to talk about spying) While not "rampant", spying does happen, and is frowned upon as much as it is in real life, but some people will do ANYTHING to win.

Once you make one run and are "caught" either by one guy, or spotted on dar, there are those that will then watch for a small dar bar to pop up in out lieing sectors. Knowing a bomber guy is online, its easy enough to keep an eye out for them, and as buffs are easier kills than most fighters, you'll draw a lot of attention.

Yeah - what he said!

The dot/pixel range is about 10k away in ANY direction. If you are at
30,000' and they are at 21,000' below you - you will be spotted by anyone,
friend or foe.

Icon range is under 6k away in any direction. Your still at 30,000' and they
climb to 25,000' under you, now they can ID your general plane type.

If they can get really really close they can ID the specific plane model.
i.e.      < 6k = 109   then   300' = 109g14

If you enter enemy "active" Radar Range (12.5K from Field center and
all the way UP to space), you will show up. NOTE: make sure you have
'Radar' checked on your Clipboard Map so you can see exactly where the
Radar Ring is. (aka: Dot Dar) White=Active / Red=Down. Whether or not
Radar is down - the Field will blink RED once you get within about 12K
radius all the way UP to space, and thus giving away your realtive position
yet again.

Radar Bar (aka: Bar Dar) is just a general reading of friends and foes in
that 25mile X 25mile sector. As long as HQ is up this type of Radar is active.
[note: You can take down ALL Radar by knocking out the HQ] Its a way to
simulate 'commuication' from tower to you about Situational Awareness.
You can avoid both types of Radar (dot & bar dar) by staying below 200'
AGL (above ground level) Just LOVE that treetop flying!

Also, a single plane in a sector will not set off Bar Dar but a single set of
Bombers will. To be truely invisible, you have to weave in and out of all
Radar Rings, stay 13k away from ALL Fields and other Targets, below 200'
AGL and/or a single small plane deep behind the lines...

Good luck and to all in Aces High!

[Lusche]

Originally posted by CAFghost

Icon range is under 6k away in any direction. Your still at 30,000' and they
climb to 25,000' under you, now they can ID your general plane type.
 

And do not forget that icon range is measured in yards and altitude in feet. So the 5000' altitude difference indicated in the example above translates in just 1.7k icon distance  (shown as D1.5k)

If you are exactly under a con shown as D5.0K, he is about 15K feet above you