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Offline dedalos

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« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2007, 03:44:53 PM »
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and then we go at it like two tom cats. [/B]


Were you trying to say "Hellokitties" ?   :rofl :rofl :rofl
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« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2007, 03:46:48 PM »
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Were you trying to say "Hellokitties" ?   :rofl :rofl :rofl


Don't you have some olives to cure or something ...  :furious
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« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2007, 03:51:34 PM »
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Don't you have some olives to cure or something ...  :furious


I think I'll mod my self on this one :rofl
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« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2007, 05:59:44 PM »
I think if you want to define a Head On then you have to put aside whether one player or another thinks its OK or not to do this or that.

IMO it is

Two ac merging with mutually sustained guns resolutions.

Whether one, both or none fire or not is actually immaterial. If one takes a head on shot then its easier to define his intent but trying to produce a definition by trying to discern a pilits intent is a pretty vague method.

The actuality is

1) they are both in gun range of each other
2) they both have guns pointing at each other
3) they both sustain that course to maintain the above (no matter how fleetingly)
4)they are both doing it at the same time.

I wonder at pilits who allow their opponent to gain any guns resolution on the basis that their opponent should not take it.

Offering or accepting the Head On  seems foolish enough.

Offering it or accepting it and then not firing at all seems the height of stupidity.
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« Reply #79 on: October 10, 2007, 05:58:47 AM »
Let me put it this way then.

In a duel, both players seperate, then  merge at an agreed on altititude.

The FIRST merge, where both players go nose to nose at each other is almost always forbidden to shoot, A Cold Merge.  Why?  Because this is the dreaded HO? Because the rules  eliminate the HO out of the duel. So that winning is not about a single lucky cannon round in the cockpit  or playing chicken?

Yet after that, many many times both players may have guns solutions.
Yet the first player to shoot down the other wins. No complaints, no whines, as long as the rules were followed. In short, no HO, no stigma, no shame, better man won that round, try it again.

Doesn't that define WHY you need that distance in there to define a HO?
Dueling rules don't say "anytime both guys have guns solution you can't shoot" far from it.

So give it a try for a week. 1 on 1 give the other guy the first cold merge, setup for ACM & merge tactics instead. After that anything goes, no rules, best man lives.

And of course anytime your in a 1 vs many environment, ALL RULES ARE OFF.
You do whatever you can to survive for as LONG as you can, period.
You don't like it fine, get that horde off my tail and we'll discuss it.  :)

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« Reply #80 on: October 10, 2007, 06:14:34 AM »
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People of aces high i am sick of everyone thinking hoing is a bad thing.In world war 2 pilots hoed,everybody hoed !Now in the content of the game the (ho) isnt bad intell someone colides .Other than that people need to stop whinning because the got shot dwn by a bad thing so called (ho) .Most caes are when someone hos something with cannon and they dont have cannon :cry .HOEN IS OK AS LONG AS (u dont colide);)



LOL Cmustard called me a HO TARD once;) I have come to the conclusion that most everyone HOES, but usually only the LOSEER complains.

{.200  oh drattt i accidently Hoed someone in my niki, i should auger now!!!}

The day we see this statement aces high will get sucked into a gravitation vortex due to everyones brains blowing up at once.

Case in point, it takes 2 people to HO, I turn out of all my head ons, and i havent been Hoed in 3 months, yes ladies and gentlman turning out of it or rolling over will work 95% of the time.

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« Reply #81 on: October 10, 2007, 06:32:25 AM »
I would like to stress a point though. There are times that a HO is called for and a necessity for survival. I would never get mad at the niki that is outnumberd, turning his heart out and happend to end up in my face filling me full of 20s. However the niki that comes in 2k above me, dives in and hoes me on the first shot howerver, still really wouldnt make me to mad, but it goes to show he lacks the confidence to try anything else.

If all u want to do is fly around and go head on in your LA Cmustard go right ahead. I have only seen one pilot fly a LA effectivly and that is 1sads and he does use the HO every now and then, but he does not use it until he is at a disadvantage.  

I have encountered u many times in the MA, and each time you make yourself a easy kill by going for the HO shot, it will put u at a disadvantage early in the fight.

My advice is to start learning your planes, and how to engage each variation of planes. Use your strenghts, their weaknesses.

Im a 50 cal guy myself so Hoing isnt really a option very often for me, but u use 20s so by all means brother use them if u need to, but just dont make it your specialty. I promise u will never see a Kill to death of 1.0 and u will spend more time flying to the fight instead of actaully being in it if u dont start learning your planes, and the manuvers to gain the edge and stay alive.  

A LA is a EASY plane to fly wrong, but a HARD plane to fly right, dont use the HO as your first option, try to outmanuver your enemy, the more time u spend doing that u will see what u did wrong and what he did to get behind u and eventually u will learn to counter, reverse, and decimate your opponents.
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« Reply #82 on: October 10, 2007, 12:40:40 PM »
Sometimes a HO is necessary just to piss people off. I've done it, and had it done to me.

Other times I use the HO to save fellow squaddies/country mates.

It sucks when it happens to you, but it's so scandalous when you get a HO kill. :D
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« Reply #83 on: October 10, 2007, 12:56:56 PM »
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Sometimes a HO is necessary just to piss people off. I've done it, and had it done to me.
 


Probably the only valid reason to HO :rofl
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« Reply #84 on: October 10, 2007, 02:06:29 PM »
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Let me put it this way then.

In a duel, both players seperate, then  merge at an agreed on altititude.

The FIRST merge, where both players go nose to nose at each other is almost always forbidden to shoot, A Cold Merge.  Why?  Because this is the dreaded HO? Because the rules  eliminate the HO out of the duel. So that winning is not about a single lucky cannon round in the cockpit  or playing chicken?

Yet after that, many many times both players may have guns solutions.
Yet the first player to shoot down the other wins. No complaints, no whines, as long as the rules were followed. In short, no HO, no stigma, no shame, better man won that round, try it again.

Doesn't that define WHY you need that distance in there to define a HO?
Dueling rules don't say "anytime both guys have guns solution you can't shoot" far from it.

So give it a try for a week. 1 on 1 give the other guy the first cold merge, setup for ACM & merge tactics instead. After that anything goes, no rules, best man lives.

And of course anytime your in a 1 vs many environment, ALL RULES ARE OFF.
You do whatever you can to survive for as LONG as you can, period.
You don't like it fine, get that horde off my tail and we'll discuss it.  :)


Well said although I still believe to HO is lame if the HOer is on the over-numbered side of an engagement.
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« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2007, 07:00:00 PM »
No argument with that at ALL Baldeagl. I have  always felt like more than 2 on a con was a waste of time and energy. I wish more players would ask before jumping in on a 1 on 1.

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« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2007, 12:08:57 AM »
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
LOL Cmustard called me a HO TARD once;) I have come to the conclusion that most everyone HOES, but usually only the LOSEER complains.

{.200  oh drattt i accidently Hoed someone in my niki, i should auger now!!!}

The day we see this statement aces high will get sucked into a gravitation vortex due to everyones brains blowing up at once.

Case in point, it takes 2 people to HO, I turn out of all my head ons, and i havent been Hoed in 3 months, yes ladies and gentlman turning out of it or rolling over will work 95% of the time.

Only time i get mad at a ho if U COLIDE! which is very easy to do dont get me wrong i do it myself daily :aok
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« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2007, 12:12:11 AM »
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Sometimes a HO is necessary just to piss people off. I've done it, and had it done to me.

Other times I use the HO to save fellow squaddies/country mates.

It sucks when it happens to you, but it's so scandalous when you get a HO kill. :D


I just like to ho all the time if i dont and try to be a fare 1 on 1 fighter what happends? HAHAHAHA i get jumped by 4 of his buddies,when it comes to MA u ho everyone know on is out for a nice fight if u want a fight go to duelingarena!
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« Reply #88 on: October 11, 2007, 06:25:21 AM »
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I just like to ho all the time if i dont and try to be a fare 1 on 1 fighter what happends? HAHAHAHA i get jumped by 4 of his buddies,when it comes to MA u ho everyone know on is out for a nice fight if u want a fight go to duelingarena!


     What the *#@ did he just say?  Maybe mommy & daddy need to cut off the subscription so you can study more at school.  

     But hey, at least you are honest.  A self-proclaimed HO- (cmus)TARD is more palatable than one who is in denial.  News flash! This is not "HALO", save that crap for the X-Box.

(uh-oh!:noid   I feel it coming on again!)

SQUEEEEEEEEEK!

Although, I must confess, it seems to be getting better.  Did one of em finally drop?  Don't worry, maybe the other one will drop by the end of the school year.
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« Reply #89 on: October 11, 2007, 10:17:56 AM »
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What the *#@ did he just say?  Maybe mommy & daddy need to cut off the subscription so you can study more at school.  

     But hey, at least you are honest.  A self-proclaimed HO- (cmus)TARD is more palatable than one who is in denial.  News flash! This is not "HALO", save that crap for the X-Box.

(uh-oh!:noid   I feel it coming on again!)

SQUEEEEEEEEEK!

Although, I must confess, it seems to be getting better.  Did one of em finally drop?  Don't worry, maybe the other one will drop by the end of the school year.


TOOOOO Funny VonMessa!!! See the thread "Squeakers of all time"... He's been nominated and seconded!
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