It's Like the Hydra

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Neubob
Blah blah blah my panties are wadded and I want to pretend like my opinion is all that matters.

Nope.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Arlo
Was meant as some sources that explain where the person you thought was talking about the U.S. blowing up buildings in Iraq prior to 9/11 was really talking about. Not "you said that!" accusations.

Name/blame games? If you're thinking that's me and not most of the anti-muslims/liberals/democrats/war for war's sakers who play that then you're right ... there's no point, eh?

If you're done, I understand. No ill feelings your way, Red. I metcha and love ya like a fellow AH brother. No matter our differences on this to me.

Yeppers...we are all cool bro. And no..not saying you...just saying in general.

Laters Bro...Im off to set up a squad night and get ready for Golf in the AM.

[Arlo]

Later, Red. I miss sqwad nights. Have fun on the links.

[soda72]

I can't seem to find Constantinople on a map anywhere, just this place called Istanbul....

[Arlo]

And so fell the Byzantines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople

And it proves the Islamic world, the whole body (and soul) wants to dominate and control the West. (Be glad that really isn't the case ... yet - `twould be ugly indeed.) (Wait ... I bet some really do want it.) (Not you, buddy.) (beer?)

[soda72]

Originally posted by Arlo
And so fell the Byzantines:
And it proves the Islamic world, the whole body (and soul) wants to dominate and control the West.  

Naah just the radical ones....  The Pope and Christian kings need to work on that hating/fear mongering thing a little more.  The Islamic radicals seem to do a better job and get results...

Originally posted by Arlo
(beer?)

Should get the whole squad together since HTC won't host a Con this year....

[Arlo]

Originally posted by soda72
Naah just the radical ones....  The Pope and Christian kings need to work on that hating/fear mongering thing a little more.  The Islamic radicals seem to do a better job and get results...

Yes, no, yes.

Originally posted by soda72
Should get the whole squad together since HTC won't host a Con this year....

What's up with that? I'm up for it.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by RedTop

Before 9/11:

Operation Ajax, the violent overthrow of Irans democratically govt by the CIA & brits after Irans president nationalized the nations oil excluding westen businesses. The despotic Puppet installed by the US, the Shah, promptly gave away 50% of the nations oil to western interests and was a well know brutal ruler.. google "Savik". Iranians saw their young democracy crushed and lived under this US backed sociopath for over 20 years. With CIA help / $$ politicians & journalists who spoke out were murdered, "terrorism" was used to foment division, silence dissent.. car bombs and stuff.

After the Iranian revolution, the US supported, armed, and assisted the WMD boogie man himself Saddam during the Iran / Iraq war, including the deployment of said WMDs against Iranian troops. Thanks to Iran / Contra, the US also sold Iran arms.. ensuring they could better kill each other. Some 700,000 people were killed... which probably left a few friends and family kinda bitter.

Oh and The USS Vincennes shooting down Iran Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf killing almost 300 people.

And then there are the infamous sanctions: When asked on US television if she [Madeline Albright, US Secretary of State] thought that the death of half a million Iraqi children [from sanctions in Iraq] was a price worth paying, Albright replied: "This is a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it."

Just a few examples.

Like I said, theres a reason the cave dwellers haven't put a jihad on Mexico, or the Swiss... they're not over there being crap disturbers.

The scene above you don't get, are the "morals" of our .gov using Operation Ajax & Iran / contra as examples to teach our children. I want my boy to be the 1st kid on the block to overthrow another family! after all the leaders who did these things (repub & dems alike) represent the USA and our values to foreign countries, these are valuable lesions in how to be a conniving a-hole the children must know!

BTW rt, if you think the US govt is good, honest & kind.. they would kill you without thinking twice. Google "Operation Northwoods", a plan by the US gov to hijack & crash airplanes on US soil (among other acts of domestic terrorism) to justify war against Cuba. Might sounds familiar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by RedTop
Wow....I said all that?


Bascially Im done with this....

Noone here has a clue what to do about Iraq...or this screwed up country we live in. No ideas..nothing

Just blame games and name calling.

Hi Redtop!

I know it's frustrating... I am frustrated. I think all of us are frustrated.
Even the Islamic non-violent are terminally fustrated... and they have been fustrated and ill-treated by all this a lot longer than we, the non-Islamic, have.

The reason for the thread is because no one anywhere seems to have a clue... YET ... as to what to do about the centuries old ongoing Islamic Holy War being waged against non-Islamic nations and peoples of the world.

We are making progress on the thread topic, in my view. Lots of layers to peel back and many have been now.

Original thought is something any human is capable of once the way is cleared. I love the story about the kid on a bike who stopped to watch a team of men... experts trying to figure out how to extract a stuck truck from under a bridge.

The kid tugged on a guy's shirt sleeve and said... "Why don't you let the air out of the tires?" The rest was history. Now I don't know if that was urban legend or not but the idea of original thought is no less powerful.

Collective Brainstorming is very powerful.

Hang in there! You just might get the idea that works triggered from something someone else says. And also clarity of realization as to why things have been done, and are being done, that don't cure the problem and instead addresses the symptoms.

Yes, it is extremely disheartening to realize our failures... sticking our collective heads in the sand about it and denying it doesn't make it better; rather, worse.

I have been seeing Iran react to the pressure applied by the Allies by rattling their sabers... taunting us... saying... They are no Iraq... screw with us and you will loose. Sounds like typical schoolyard behavior to me.

Iran is a bully in the Islamist world.

To me, their religion is both their strength and their weakness.

How can we exploit that? Politically and Militarily and on the Religion playing field?

I think we have to confront on all three of these.

I think the politicians of the Western Powers grossly missed the mark in understanding these people and what to do about it. It may even require changes to law concerning Religion to clear a path to dealing with them.

What about an internal Islamic Revolution? And help the majority of Islamists reform Islam and the Quran and then clean house of the power wielding portion called Militant/Extremist Islamics who are causing all the grief?

We have to learn about Islam to a depth to even talk to Islamists about the Quran and it's mandate: to convert all nations and peoples of the world or failing to convert them; execute them.

This simply does not cut it and should not be protected under the guise of Religion nor allowed to stand.

We won't win by giving up...

I think Iran is not nearly so brave as they make themselves out to be.

Iran is next on the list, along with Syria.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Neubob
The possessive form of who is 'whose'.  link

'Who's' is the contraction of 'who' and 'is'.

Ironic that an automaton such as yourself would make that mistake... Or is it paradoxical?

Oh yeah, and moderate Islam is still to blame for not cutting/denying essential financial and moral support to the radicals.

Are they? I agree they need to get out from underneath the boot of the Islamic power block. They have been living under that boot for centuries.

I think they need to be empowered by the rest of the world... and world leaders, to reform Islam and kick the bums out.

And what if they don't go along with it? Well... then more of the Hydra is exposed to daylight.

Know thy enemy.

TIGERESS

PS: I personally refrain from whacking people on their English but I enjoy seeing English well written, nonetheless. My spelling is not the greatest... but I usually use a spell checker to offset it because I care.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by john9001
arlo , really likes me:D

I like you BOTH! And also the rest of you men!

Work as a team...

Hugs,

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

xmarine said..

"Why don't the islamofacists hate the Swiss, French, Mexicans or Cubans? because they're not over in the mid east causing death, disease and destruction maybe?

Mexico hasn't overthrown a democratically elected govt, fomented proxy wars or helped one country use "WMDs" against another, and surprise surprise.. there's no jihad on them. Imagine that."

Well.. now you are grasping at straws... why don't they hate the swiss?   who hates the swiss?   they have no power in the world.. they are a threat to no one and are a good place to bank..  Hitler didn't mess with em either.. not because he liked em or didn't want to rule em tho...  he figured he would save em for last.. just like the islamofacists feel.

The french?  maybe you missed the riots?   even kissing butt they have their muslim problems.. will probly be in worse shape than us when the dust settles... if it weren't for us... I would say they would be the next target.    

Mexico?  seriously?   what would be the point? no threat and no muslims there.   cuba.. same thing.

All of europe is a powder keg again..  this time it is the struggle with a faction of a fanatical religion rooted in the barbaric past.    As usual... we are dragged into your-0p's mess.   They can't or won't handle it so it gets stronger.  

tigress...  vietnam may not be a good example of what you are trying to prove..  it was very costly for the commies.   As was every place that we and the commies clashed.   The enemy was  the commies and we couldn't always pick the best (for us) place to drain em but... in the end.. we won.  the evil empire collapsed.

What difference does it make if we fight in iraq or libia or wherever they are so long as they collapse?    

lazs

[Tigeress]

I am thinking the approach and strategies of the Islamic Power Block is along the lines of the domino effect.

Take down the first tier, the Allied Powers, such as the USA, GB, France, Australia, etc., then go after the Axis Powers... Russia, China, etc.

I think the Islamic Power Block is simply using the Axis powers in the short term.

The rest of the world... the less powerful world countries will simply fall into place for Islam. The Mexicos, the Switzerlands, the Canadas, the Germanys, the Asian nations, the African nations, the South American nations and India.

Notice that Geo. W. Bush & Co forged serious and far reaching strategic alliances with India; very good thinking on his part, imho.

If you were the Islamic Power Block what would be your strategy for total Islamic domination of the world? Keeping in mind, the mandate of your religion to dominate the entire world and all its countries and people, including Russia and China?

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
xmarine said..

"Why don't the islamofacists hate the Swiss, French, Mexicans or Cubans? because they're not over in the mid east causing death, disease and destruction maybe?

Mexico hasn't overthrown a democratically elected govt, fomented proxy wars or helped one country use "WMDs" against another, and surprise surprise.. there's no jihad on them. Imagine that."

Well.. now you are grasping at straws... why don't they hate the swiss?   who hates the swiss?   they have no power in the world.. they are a threat to no one and are a good place to bank..  Hitler didn't mess with em either.. not because he liked em or didn't want to rule em tho...  he figured he would save em for last.. just like the islamofacists feel.

The french?  maybe you missed the riots?   even kissing butt they have their muslim problems.. will probly be in worse shape than us when the dust settles... if it weren't for us... I would say they would be the next target.    

Mexico?  seriously?   what would be the point? no threat and no muslims there.   cuba.. same thing.

All of europe is a powder keg again..  this time it is the struggle with a faction of a fanatical religion rooted in the barbaric past.    As usual... we are dragged into your-0p's mess.   They can't or won't handle it so it gets stronger.  

tigress...  vietnam may not be a good example of what you are trying to prove..  it was very costly for the commies.   As was every place that we and the commies clashed.   The enemy was  the commies and we couldn't always pick the best (for us) place to drain em but... in the end.. we won.  the evil empire collapsed.

What difference does it make if we fight in iraq or libia or wherever they are so long as they collapse?    

lazs

Point taken, Lazs. We did bloody the hell out of the communists and cost them dearly in terms of money and  resources.

Is the old Russia really dead? Russia's Wrong Direction
Now we are exporting billions in technology manufacturing to the People's Republic of China.

Virtually every large high-tech manufacturing company, worldwide, has a strong manufacturing presence in the People's Republic of China.

Case in point, Intel Corp: http://www.newsdaily.com/Business/UPI-1-20070910-01363900-bc-china-intel.xml

Who gave permission to do that? I am not blaming the lefties or righties individually on this...
I see it as short term thinking in terms of business.
Holy Cow! Have we all gone mad?

China and Russia sells arms, including jet fighters, to Iran and (arguably) enables North Korea to export Nuclear Technology to Iran and Syria and who knows where else in addition to direct Nuclear export.

The Russian/Chinese stance on trading with the Irans of the world: http://china-intel.blogspot.com/

Don't mind me... I am just venting at the moment.

TIGERESS

PS: I have been approached about personally relocating to the People's Republic of China to work there for an American High-Tech company.
Guess what I said...  No Freeking Way.
I love the Chinese people and have worked closely with engineers, male and female, from both Taiwan and the People's Republic of China.
...sweet, intelligent, and productive hard-working Human Beings.

The People's Republic of China government? I don't like it any more than the Chinese people like it. They don't like it and have personally told me so.

Guess who is manufacturing what in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam?
I refuse to go there too... and I have worked long and short term in many many countries on behalf of several American high-tech companies, as have many many engineers from the Western powers. Nothing new there.

IF... I were to relocate, I am thinking the Dallas area perhaps I could get a ride in Dale's (HiTech's) RV-8 for some aerobatics! woo HOOO! (if he promises not to try and make me barf

[lazs2]

tigress..  communism will probly never die nor, will islamofacism rooted in the oppression of it's people with barbaric 9th century law.

commies and islamofacists have that in common.. the hate of individualism and personal freedom.   there will allways be those who hate the thought of personal freedom and who fear it.

But...  It is fair to note that chinas communism is not the old soviet brand..  It at least has the glimmer of capitalism to it.   I believe that capitalism is such a superior system that it will trounce the commie every time...  I believe the people  of china will want more and more capitalism and less and less communism.

I believe that, so far as furthering communism goes, the chinesse are shooting themselves in the foot.

lazs