General Climate Discussion

[lazs2]

akh... I think they supported my statement quite well..

but speaking of pot/kettle.

I have asked you repeatedly to back up your new theory that man made water vapor is causing global warming..   a picture of a smokestack isn't going to get it.

you are simply an alarmist socialist who's religion is man made global warming and....

you are upset because your little chicken little world is falling apart.. every day... more and more are sceptical... the pet theories are being shown as gross exagerations at best and outright hoaxes at worst.

Now...  you seem to reverse directions yet again...  now... suddenly.. you are telling us that man made water vapor is causing global warming...

I asked you to show me a link.. you did not...

What you will find tho... is that so far.. no one but you and angus is saying that... you will find that the alarmists that you have been believing all this time have all dismissed water vapor in the past and hung their hat on co2.

Sooo... show us the charts... show us how much water vapor we are putting into the air and how that is NOW (as compared to yesterdays alarmist news) the new evil man is perpetuating on the planet.

I am still waiting.  

lazs

[lazs2]

and.. the last two links I chose just for you... they are alarmist sites that think man made global warming is real.. it is significant to note that they never say that there is any man made contribution to water vapor.   It is fair to note that they admit that it is too difficult to model clouds and water vapor.

lazs

[crockett]

First off I like to call it "Global Climate Change" rather than "Global Warming" because it won't get warm everywhere someplace will get colder.

Second, it really doesn't matter if you accept the fact that man is helping contribute to "GCC" or not. The fact is it "is" happening. You can't argue that the ice caps aren't melting and that our ice packs aren't getting smaller and smaller.

That is most defiantly a fact. So regardless if you think man plays a part or doesn't the fact is we will be dealing with it.

If all the ice in the poles melts it will account for about 150 ft sea level rise. So pretty much every coastal city in the United States will be gone, much less around the world. That's where most of the population just happens to live.

Even people whom live inland and think they are out of danger, Well you are out of luck as well. Most of the water supplies in this country come from ice packs. The ice packs melt and feed the rivers and streams throughout our country.

Guess what? No more ice pack means no more drinking water. This is a news report from today that is just the beginning of what's to come for the people whom live throughout the United States and this planet.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/08/dry.town/index.html

So regardless of the fact if we are helping speed up the process or not. Don't yea think if there is a chance at all that we are,  shouldn't we be doing anything we can to help slow it down?

How much do you think you would enjoy only having water 3 hours a day?

[AKH]

Lies, damned lies, and the world according to lazs.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by lazs2

you are simply an alarmist socialist who's religion is man made global warming and....

There is an up side to fad religions, they are easily replaced when proven false or otherwise in conflict with the believer.

[crockett]

Originally posted by wrag
The founder of the weather channel speaks out on Global warming..............


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/07/weather-channel-founder-global-warming-greatest-scam-history

his take on it SEEMS similar to mine.

So his only proof is "wait and see". If he is so sure about it, then why doesn't he present his facts to prove his case? This just proves you will believe what you want to believe regardless if there are any facts to prove your case.

[crockett]

Originally posted by AKIron
There is an up side to fad religions, they are easily replaced when proven false or otherwise in conflict with the believer.

Yea creationism, intelligent design.. I wonder what they will call it when life is found on one of Jupiter's moons or on Mars.. Will it suddenly become "interstellarism"?

[crockett]

Originally posted by storch
it is a scam.  there are many scientists who claim that once enough cold water from glacial melting enters the ocean it slows down the ocean conveyor.  this in turn triggers colder temperatures globally thereby initiating global cooling.  they claim that this is a naturally occuring cycle.  the planet goes through periods of rising or decreasing temperature and it is little affected by what humans do.

these scientists who offer this hypothesys are systematically censured by the ones who want funding dollars.

the left and our enemies want us to tank our economy so if you do not toe the politcally motivated line you get no money.

No one is censured on that subject. In fact many of the scientists whom agree with global warming say that it's likely once we reach that peak the the Earth will go back into a global ice age. It's a working theory just like many of the others.

You miss the entire point of the argument. No one that I know of unless they are an idiot thinks that the Earth is and will go on like it is today forever. Pretty much all scientist whom have a bit of credibility agree that the Earth's climate "is" changing and always has.

The only argument is if man is helping it change faster or not. Maybe you should read a little and actually understand what the scientist are saying instead of just assuming.

Reguardless if it's man's fault for speeding it up or not, the fact is we will be living with the problem in the future.

[AKH]

Originally posted by lazs2
akh... I think they supported my statement quite well..

Well, you would now, wouldn't you? Others might not agree with your warped logic though.  Just to remind you, here is your original claim:

Originally posted by lazs2
In fact.. most of their highly scientific computer models don't even include water vapor or clouds. ruins the co2 effect ya see.

Can you not spot the fatal flaw in your logic and supporting evidence that makes this statement blatantly untrue?

but speaking of pot/kettle.

I have asked you repeatedly to back up your new theory that man made water vapor is causing global warming..   a picture of a smokestack isn't going to get it.

I've told you already - I have never advanced such a theory. Anyone reading this thread can easily check that.

blah, blah, blah...

Now...  you seem to reverse directions yet again...  now... suddenly.. you are telling us that man made water vapor is causing global warming...

I asked you to show me a link.. you did not...

What you will find tho... is that so far.. no one but you and angus is saying that... you will find that the alarmists that you have been believing all this time have all dismissed water vapor in the past and hung their hat on co2.

Sooo... show us the charts... show us how much water vapor we are putting into the air and how that is NOW (as compared to yesterdays alarmist news) the new evil man is perpetuating on the planet.

I am still waiting.

Still not me.  High aluminium content in your diet?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by crockett
Yea creationism, intelligent design.. I wonder what they will call it when life is found on one of Jupiter's moons or on Mars.. Will it suddenly become "interstellarism"?

If you think "intelligent design" is limited to this planet, think again.

[Angus]

AFAIK, the N-Polar cap is as it never was for 20 million years. That is very much more time than humans were about.

[Holden McGroin]

sorurce 'The ice cap is at an extreme low. For the 50 years we have data from, we have never seen anything like it,' Leif Toudal Pedersen of the Technical University of Denmark told the Jyllands-Posten newspaper.

50 years of data < 20 million years of data.

source No matter what the plant material and mud end up showing, researchers already are reading the story the ice tells about the past 120,000 years of Earth's climatic ups and downs, including an abrupt change in climate about 115,000 years ago that could have implications for today.

The signs of life in the ice and the climate data were discovered by a small group of men and women who have worked during summers since 1996 at the North Greenland Ice core Project (North GRIP) camp. They extracted ice cores one at a time — each a cylinder 4 inches in diameter and 11 feet long — from the top to bottom of the 10,121 feet of ice here.

2 miiles of ice gets us back 120,000 years...

10,000 to 70,000 before present day, the North Amercian ice sheet reached 45 N Latitude, carving the Great Lakes region.

20 million years is extrapolating nearly an order of magnitude past known data.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Airscrew
good stuff Wrag and Laz... now just waiting for Arlo or Hortland to come tell us these guys are in the pocket of big oil....

Hmmmm ..... why? Don't project.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by AKIron
If you think "intelligent design" is limited to this planet, think again.

Hmmmm .... I bet "evolution" can replace "intelligent design" in that sentence just as well. Maybe better.

[SD67]

OMG don't go saying stuff like that Arlo, you'll get all the book totin' ostriches in too