General Climate Discussion

[lazs2]

angus..  I think you will find that not only total crops but crop yield has gone up.

The worst that can be said is that crop yield has not gone up as much as expected..  there have been somewhat longer growing seasons worldwide due to this natural mild climate cycle we are enjoying.

Unfortunately... most studies are now saying that we are headed for a cooling trend.. the latest russian study shows cooling for the last 5 years.

lazs

[C(Sea)Bass]

This isn't the exact graph I was looking for but it does support what Myself and laz are saying.



As you can see the earth's temperature has been flactuating quite a lot for the last 3 million years, but with an overall net decrease in temperature. Obviously humans did not cause this as they are not 3 million years old

Humans may have caused the flat, stable section over the last 150 years, to last longer than it naturally would, but that is just atheory.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
[BRemind me in July to look over this, for we MIGHT POSSIBLY both be alive. [/B]

And we might not be. Possibly /Possibly not . Maybe /Maybe not.
Just like long term climate, it cannot be predicted with anything nearing accuracy due to the unknowns.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by MORAY37
Hey, without those grants I never woulda been able to afford my 1998 Civic...
 

That`s a pretty rad ride for a fish butt prober.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by Jackal1
That`s a pretty rad ride for a fish butt prober.

lol exactly.. my job isn't making me rich.

[lazs2]

yeah but without the grants...  you would have to work for a living.

lazs

[Angus]

Originally posted by lazs2
angus..  I think you will find that not only total crops but crop yield has gone up.

The worst that can be said is that crop yield has not gone up as much as expected..  there have been somewhat longer growing seasons worldwide due to this natural mild climate cycle we are enjoying.

Unfortunately... most studies are now saying that we are headed for a cooling trend.. the latest russian study shows cooling for the last 5 years.

lazs

Absolutely the opposite from the newest news I have seen. Yeald has gone down.
Bear in mind that as the temperate belts retreat to hot belts, so do cold to temperate. Except the areas are smaller. On dry land.
As for somebody with grants, they are a part of the pay. It's still work you see. Rather a cheap remark IMHO. Oh, and you have to be worthy of a grant by the way....
Of course this must be rubbish, since the newest news from seabass claim we've been cooling all the time

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
yeah but without the grants...  you would have to work for a living.

lazs

Lol.. lazs.. don't ever try to quantify a person you've never met, with so broad a statement.

You couldn't keep up with me sir.

I'm shocked one of you more informed people didn't try to attack me about that post... using grant money for a personal purchase is against the law.  Sir, I'm a salaried employee. The grants are used to fund research, and research alone.  I must account for every dollar.

But, then again, you don't understand the process to begin with.

[Shaky]

[lazs2]

course I do moray...  you are "quantify a person you've never met, with so broad a statement.".....something you don't know about.

I have worked in both the private and the public sector.  I very much know how it works.. I have been around department heads of universities all my life.  

The grant money keeps em working.. it grows their importance.. the more people under them and the bigger the budget.. the higher the salary.

sometimes they are very busy.. mostly justifying a bigger budget..

If they research the effect of roads on the three eyed newt for instance...  they have to make that seem like the most important thing in the world.. that the 3 eyed newt is the corner of the universe and.. that roads are the most important thing to the lives of the three eyed newt.

Yeah.. I know how it works.

lazs

[Angus]

And that's why go get things like....space travel

BTW, did anyone see the Russian statement about the upcoming global cooling. Sort of baffles me, they say greenhouse effect hardly works at all and it's all the sun, and now a reduction in sunspots (which are cold areas) is going to cool the planet so well that the UK will have a similar climate to Siberia.
I guess they got grants and used them all on vodka

[C(Sea)Bass]

Originally posted by Angus
And that's why go get things like....space travel

BTW, did anyone see the Russian statement about the upcoming global cooling. Sort of baffles me, they say greenhouse effect hardly works at all and it's all the sun, and now a reduction in sunspots (which are cold areas) is going to cool the planet so well that the UK will have a similar climate to Siberia.
I guess they got grants and used them all on vodka

Actually they may have a point, as sunspots are thought to be one of the causes of "the little ice age" during the middle ages. We know thats sunspots a cyclical and do affect climate to a degree. How much is debatable though.

[angelsandair]

Originally posted by Angus
Moray,- these tests actually are against farming practice results, and there is a lot of experience behind that.
I speak of my homeland only in terms of greenhouse growing, so in the equation are plants like cucumbers and tomatoes, etc etc, many short lived, the humidity is regulated, but is high, the temperature is high, and the daylight exposure is sometimes as far as around the clock.
(Now let us realize that on this thread we are dealing with people that have debated carbon binding of vegetation as well as the function of greenhouse effect, so this is all a tad funny).
Anyway, up here the Greenhouse farmers apply co2 as a growth enhancerer. Well, they used too.
And Lazs, as a contrary to what you claim, crops have NOT gone up, but down. TOTAL crops have gone up, while crops pr. square have gone down.
(Well, I get the farming news through the mailbox, and BTW, this is a worldwide figure).
And BIGBMAW, - Oxygen, or actually just air is necessary for good soil break-down.
Absolute absence of air + lots of carbon = pH problems.

err...Well im not sure if this is about global warming still, but the mt st helens eruption of 1980 spewed more dust and bad things than humanity has EVER in its entire existance......something they dont tell you on CNN or NBC....

[C(Sea)Bass]

Originally posted by angelsandair
err...Well im not sure if this is about global warming still, but the mt st helens eruption of 1980 spewed more dust and bad things than humanity has EVER in its entire existance......something they dont tell you on CNN or NBC....

Most of what is ejected during and eruption, ash and dust, is rather heavy and falls out of the atmosphere within a year or two.

To make this post at least somewhat relative, volcanoes also spew out alot of water vapor, which IS a greenhouse gas.

[Angus]

Originally posted by angelsandair
err...Well im not sure if this is about global warming still, but the mt st helens eruption of 1980 spewed more dust and bad things than humanity has EVER in its entire existance......something they dont tell you on CNN or NBC....

I would like to see a source for that.
As for both Volcanoe inputs here, unlike greenhouse gas emissions, there is NOTHING we can do to stop them.....