Where were the sane licensed carrying gun owners in all this?

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Slash27
Many of who? And what is it you would like me to tell you about fires? I'd hate to spoil some of your myths you hold so dear though.

Yes,  I learned even more about "fire" today,....better?
extremely unreliable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAohtjG14c&feature=related

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Bingolong


Yes,  I learned even more about "fire" today,....better?
extremely unreliable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAohtjG14c&feature=related

Well, it is on fire.


If thats your neighbor I can sympathize with you.

[SIG220]

Originally posted by APDrone
I'm afraid, laz, that these freaks would simply find an easier target to attain their desired recognition... like, .. perhaps..   and it sickens me to even mention it..

I do not believe that it is politically correct any longer to refer to mentally ill people as "freaks".  These are human beings, and should thus not be dehumanized.

This teenager's death is tragic also.  What a messed up and wasted life he had.  He is also a victim of his illness.

I think that our nation clearly needs to have more mental institutions.  

SIG 220

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by SIG220
I do not believe that it is politically correct any longer to refer to mentally ill people as "freaks".  These are human beings, and should thus not be dehumanized.

This teenager's death is tragic also.  What a messed up and wasted life he had.  He is also a victim of his illness.

I think that our nation clearly needs to have more mental institutions.  

SIG 220

I understand your sentiments...

Freak is not a bad word in itself but is intentionally used in a hurtful way by many people as an inapproprate insult.

Anyone is capable of committing mass murder under the requsite circumstances, imv, but most never do thus this kind of behavior is considered freakish behavior.

freak --> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/freak

There is no money to be made in institutionalizing MIs, just costs…

Lefties would spend federal money to put them away and righties would save that money so it could be spent on something else and let the chips fall where they may then complain when the media points the finger at gun ownership as the problem.

Only way to institutionalize people like him where taxpayer money is available is prison but that requires a crime first.

And, I suspect there are lefties who hate the 2nd amendment so much that they like to see this sort of thing happen so they can say "See?? See?? If his uncle had been prevented from owning guns this would not have happened."

People become pawns for political agendas.

This kid was a sociopath of the worst kind... had he merely committed suicide instead of killing innocent people I could feel sympathy for him.

He was rational enough to make a conscious decision to commit mass murder because of his dislike of the life he had... and to be "special" ...go out in a blaze of infamy. I doubt his mental problems were bad enough to warrant institutionalizing… he was simply a murderer building to a climax.

A single person, any person, can affect the lives of us all and some do so to simply feel they matter.

I feel sorry for a rabid dog and would shoot it nonetheless.

I have chopped the head off rattlesnakes in my yard with a garden hoe; I felt sorry for them but I did it to survive should they bite me unaware and to protect others... in the wild I would let them go in peace.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

I think anyone illegally converting their semi-auto to full auto has created a serious problem for yourself, your family, and legal gun owners in the US.

Is it worth committing a felony and going to prison over? dang...

In my opinion, you guys who defend the 2nd amendment need to apply peer pressure on any of you who possess illegally owned full automatic weapons.

If you want to shoot a machine gun go to a range that lets you shoot theirs.

Imagine the field day the media and the lefties would have if this kid's uncle had converted a gun to full auto and this kid choose that one... and no doubt his uncle would go to prison for 10 years.

That alone would no doubt affect the upcoming 2nd amendment case before the supreme court.

Men who get caught pushing the envelope like that eventually hurts everyone interested in the primary reason the 2nd amendment exists in the first place.

Over the top gun obsession, like over top gambling obsession or over the top sex obsession, etc., is considered a mental problem by many reasonable people across the political spectrum; left and right.

Please act responsibly and legally about your gun hobby if you are illegally converting semi-auto to full-autos.

And, those who are responsible and legal, please pressure your illegal peers for their sake and yours or turn them in if they fail to get it for your hobby's sake and protection of the 2nd amendment from those looking for the means to abolish it.

Admittedly, I don't get it when it comes to fanatic over-the-top pre-occupation with fire arms but I get the part where the need for the 2nd amendment caused it to be written into the constitution.

TIGERESS

[APDrone]

Originally posted by SIG220
I do not believe that it is politically correct any longer to refer to mentally ill people as "freaks".  These are human beings, and should thus not be dehumanized.

This teenager's death is tragic also.  What a messed up and wasted life he had.  He is also a victim of his illness.

I think that our nation clearly needs to have more mental institutions.  

SIG 220

For the most part, I don't 'do' politically correct.   It's foolish, stupid, cowardly, and has probably done more to undermine the emotional development of our society than anything else.

I grew up in the heart of Dixie with the birthplace of St. Paul, MN.

I caught hell for talking funny and being a 'damn Yankee'.  Guess what?  I had to deal with it.  After a few years of taking it and making fun of it, it was no longer a problem.

With no counselors or lawyers involved.  Who'd thunk?

I have far more 'colorful metaphors' to use on the likes of this freak, but I won't expose them here for it would be unnecessary.  

Bring back the days of peer pressure and beating the heck of somebody in the parking lot to 'adjust their tude'.    Worked just fine back in my day.  

Wouldn't keep our armies of lawyers happy nowadays, I'm afraid.  Heaven forbid we re-learn how to exist without litigation.

We have a society.  This society has rules of behavior, many based on common courtesy and respect.  Now the courtesy is gone and respect is non-existant, and our society is crumbling.

If you cannot cope with our society, then you should be removed from it.

Period.

Have a nice day.

[storch]

Originally posted by APDrone
For the most part, I don't 'do' politically correct.   It's foolish, stupid, cowardly, and has probably done more to undermine the emotional development of our society than anything else.

I grew up in the heart of Dixie with the birthplace of St. Paul, MN.

I caught hell for talking funny and being a 'damn Yankee'.  Guess what?  I had to deal with it.  After a few years of taking it and making fun of it, it was no longer a problem.

With no counselors or lawyers involved.  Who'd thunk?

I have far more 'colorful metaphors' to use on the likes of this freak, but I won't expose them here for it would be unnecessary.  

Bring back the days of peer pressure and beating the heck of somebody in the parking lot to 'adjust their tude'.    Worked just fine back in my day.  

Wouldn't keep our armies of lawyers happy nowadays, I'm afraid.  Heaven forbid we re-learn how to exist without litigation.

We have a society.  This society has rules of behavior, many based on common courtesy and respect.  Now the courtesy is gone and respect is non-existant, and our society is crumbling.

If you cannot cope with our society, then you should be removed from it.

Period.

Have a nice day.

amen

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by SIG220
I do not believe that it is politically correct any longer to refer to mentally ill people as "freaks".  These are human beings, and should thus not be dehumanized.

This teenager's death is tragic also.  What a messed up and wasted life he had.  He is also a victim of his illness.

I think that our nation clearly needs to have more mental institutions.  

SIG 220

Sig, that would be the Humane way to go about it.

However, it's only effective if you can travel back and forth in time, to see what kind of crimes' these people are gonna commit, and then you can say,"Wow, you really are in need of help."

Think about the pressures' that people go through day-to-day.

When you consider the strains of feeding a family, keeping a job, marriage, schoolwork, or anything in which you have to push yourself for personal accomplishment, then there are literally thousands, if not millions, of candidates for a potential shooting spree. It is literally impossible to screen through all these people, to "help" them, to prevent things like VT or this shooting in Omaha.

Read through this:http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10203459

A pile of bricks with the label of "Mental Health Center" doesn't give those lost loved ones' back to their families.

The only chance for that is at the moment...Maybe if they had been armed? Who knows. Not everyone carries a gun for self defense. Even if this guy had seeked or been given prior help (Remember, the VT shooter had been in and out, and STILL went on a rampage) It's not a guarantee. My heart goes out to the families of the Victims. AP, if you know any, would you please relay my sympathies?

[B@tfinkV]

For me, the underlying points in all this are:

1) had someone been armed and ready to act it could have been stopped after the first killing. not perfect world stuff but better than multiple killings and and then suicide.
 
2) the guns are not the problem, murders happen with all kinds of devices and soemtimes just human hands. you cant stop murders by banning guns.

3) this guy could have killed just as many people without a gun. and also easily could obtain a gun in a country where guns are ilegal.




for the pro-gun camp this is a victory in theory and a tragedy in reality

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
For me, the underlying points in all this are:

1) had someone been armed and ready to act it could have been stopped after the first killing. not perfect world stuff but better than multiple killings and and then suicide.
 
2) the guns are not the problem, murders happen with all kinds of devices and soemtimes just human hands. you cant stop murders by banning guns.

3) this guy could have killed just as many people without a gun. and also easily could obtain a gun in a country where guns are ilegal.




for the pro-gun camp this is a victory in theory and a tragedy in reality

Politically, Bat, This might be a real blow to the Pro-gun camp. It would have really been better if a CCW holder had taken the shooter out. That would have shown what an armed, responsible citizen is capable of doing-and why we need more of them. However, Since the guy used an AK clone(That's what all the news is saying, I know some of you insist it was an SKS) With a 30-round mag, What's happening now is noise from the Brady Coalition. You can read what they say here:http://www.bradycampaign.org/

I know some of you would rather pull out a molar with a pair of pliers and no anesthetic, than read anything by the Brady coalition, but it's handy to keep tabs on what these people try to do.

Many in here believe another, even more restrictive Firearms' ban is in the works' if Hillary takes office, And not just on "Assault" style rifles. You'll be lucky to keep the guns you have.

[JB88]

Originally posted by lazs2
cripes... 88 agreed with me... where did I go wrong?   Am I getting old and soft?

bingalong..  what exactly is an "M2 kit"? are to make an M1 into a functional and reliable  full auto with M2 parts you would need the entire trigger group and bolt.  It may take 10 minutes... it may take a lot longer.  


Who cares in any case.. where you gonna buy an M2 trigger group?   In the case of full auto ak and sks guns...  most are crude.. the guns themselves are forgiving and sloppy and will take some bad amature gunsmithing but.. they won't be very reliable.

lazs

getting?!  

you've been old and soft as long as i've known you lasz.

[lazs2]

well... you didn't have to tell everyone.

Widewing is correct as is mav.. it is a big deal to face down a carbine carrying guy bent of murder when you have nothing but a sidearm..

My point is.. one guy, even with a j frame... firing from cover would ah... break his concentration... two guys doing it would ruin his day and.. if it happened a few times and got the publicity....

The next whackjob would wait for some other form of mayhem to imitate.

and for bingalong... yes.. you can convert any semi auto into a full auto.. in the old days... the surplus stuff was really just full auto guns converted to semi auto.. these had the correct full auto receiver and bolt with just a few changes to the trigger group...  these were easy to convert to full auto.  reliable full auto.

Nowdays.. they are purpose made semi autos that are nothing more than copies of the full auto versions and it is pretty much a waste of time to try to convert em.  I doubt that there are more than a few every year that are butchered in such a way.

lazs

[Tattered]

I think some of you watch entirely too much Chuck Norris.

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Tigeress
I think anyone illegally converting their semi-auto to full auto has created a serious problem for yourself, your family, and legal gun owners in the US.

Is it worth committing a felony and going to prison over? dang...

In my opinion, you guys who defend the 2nd amendment need to apply peer pressure on any of you who possess illegally owned full automatic weapons.

If you want to shoot a machine gun go to a range that lets you shoot theirs.

Imagine the field day the media and the lefties would have if this kid's uncle had converted a gun to full auto and this kid choose that one... and no doubt his uncle would go to prison for 10 years.

That alone would no doubt affect the upcoming 2nd amendment case before the supreme court.

Men who get caught pushing the envelope like that eventually hurts everyone interested in the primary reason the 2nd amendment exists in the first place.

Over the top gun obsession, like over top gambling obsession or over the top sex obsession, etc., is considered a mental problem by many reasonable people across the political spectrum; left and right.

Please act responsibly and legally about your gun hobby if you are illegally converting semi-auto to full-autos.

And, those who are responsible and legal, please pressure your illegal peers for their sake and yours or turn them in if they fail to get it for your hobby's sake and protection of the 2nd amendment from those looking for the means to abolish it.

Admittedly, I don't get it when it comes to fanatic over-the-top pre-occupation with fire arms but I get the part where the need for the 2nd amendment caused it to be written into the constitution.

TIGERESS

Absolutely!;)

[B@tfinkV]

rgr that Frode, even as a no gun owning brit i would think that if hilary tries to take all your guns away there will be a civil war.