Where were the sane licensed carrying gun owners in all this?

[lazs2]

and..  I agree with mav.   and the couple of cops here who have been shot at..  I would not rush a SKS armed nut in a mall with a snubby J frame smith or even a full size 45... I would look for a shot from cover.. even if it was a long one..  say 50 yards.. I would probly hit him but who knows.. for sure I would break up his rythum..   I would move like hell to find a new spot of cover if he took an interest in me.

Point is...  If one in ten people were armed and competent.. these guys would just stay home with a bottle and blow their brains out when they were finished.

They go to places where they can kill a bunch of sheep before they die in a hail of bullets...  it plays out real big for them...  Having a couple of civilians shooting at em is distracting and not to their liking.


lazs

[SteveBailey]

See Rules #4, #5

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by lazs2
and..  I agree with mav.  

lazs

No you don't.  Mav says to run away.  you are talking about shooting at the bad guy.  I never mentioned anything about rushing a guy w/ an SKS.
I said that if you were there w/ a weapon you should try to do something to intervene.  Shooting at a guy from 50 yards away is just that.
As I've already said, I'm not advocating suicide.

[lazs2]

Oh.. for those interested in what "bump fire" is..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Va1TXGSCXk&feature=related

These are semi autos and it is for fun... It is no way to use a gun effectively.

lazs

[APDrone]

Originally posted by lazs2

...

Point is...  If one in ten people were armed and competent.. these guys would just stay home with a bottle and blow their brains out when they were finished.

They go to places where they can kill a bunch of sheep before they die in a hail of bullets...  it plays out real big for them...  Having a couple of civilians shooting at em is distracting and not to their liking.


lazs

I'm afraid, laz, that these freaks would simply find an easier target to attain their desired recognition... like, .. perhaps..   and it sickens me to even mention it..

schools... playgrounds...  

We're doomed...

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not taking a stand for or against arming or disarming the masses.  I don't own a gun, have no desire to own a gun .. ok, except maybe some skeet shooting if I ever find time to take on another hobby. And, quite frankly, pistols scare me.  

I believe that there are nutcases that, no matter what rules and road blocks are in place, they  will find some way to satisfy their twisted desires.  

I don't see any answers.. and I guess that's the disappointing thing.

[Nefarious]

Originally posted by lazs2
Oh.. for those interested in what "bump fire" is..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Va1TXGSCXk&feature=related

These are semi autos and it is for fun... It is no way to use a gun effectively.

lazs

I can bump my WASR from the shoulder, Although not accurate its certainly more accurate than from the hip.

[WWhiskey]

Originally posted by shamroc
KgB - the myth of "filing down" the firing pin of a semi-auto AK47 to convert it to full auto is an urban legend.  Other variations of this is to somehow insert a "twist tie" into the works to make the conversion complete.

It is 100% untrue.  It's a common myth pushed by the Gun Control Lobby in an attempt to ban all semi-auto firearms.

To convert a semi-auto AK47 to fully auto entails replacing several major components (components that are highly restricted and not readily available in the USA).  You also have to know what you are doing (aka a well trained/experienced gunsmith).

It is not something a layperson can do via magic internet-instructions.

And yes, most AK47 derivatives are extremely easy to field strip and maintain.  It's a fine, reliable, inexpensive, hard hitting and rugged firearm - albeit not that accurate due to the fact that it has very loose tolerances and it has a big heavy action that produces massive recoil.

What bothers me most about that weapon is it's popularity portrayed as a weapon designed by the "Soviet Regime" to bring down the "West".  In reality, it was designed to be a commoner's rifle to keep the Nazi's from coming back.
 
shamroc

dont know about the ak but the sks is easily converted to full in less than 10 min. and can be adjusted for rate of fire while fireing, I own 10 of these and have sold a few more (none of mine ever had this conversion  ) but i have seen it done, not sure why im telling you this other than to say i dont think you know all there is to know about this weapon, if you did you would understand that to ban any gun is stupid  it only works all or none and i must say none.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
See Rules #4, #5

You try to introduce a situation totally different from what was being discussed and I called you on it. No dumbing there.

I also see you conveniently refuse to read what was actually written in the post. Now who is the person who has a problem understanding? Be that as it may, if you cannot discuss the actual situation and stay focused on that without reverting to personal attacks as your only means of arguing it's probably best you do drop the thread.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by lazs2
Oh.. for those interested in what "bump fire" is..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Va1TXGSCXk&feature=related

These are semi autos and it is for fun... It is no way to use a gun effectively.

lazs

Too true.  A guy shooting it semi-auto would be much more deadly.

Photos from the mall cameras sure make it look like it was an AK, probably an underfolder.

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Any right wing nut job can rub two sticks together and magically make a semi-auto fire arm fully auto.  Hell, even us inexperienced with fire arms probably will be successful 4 times out of 5

Fixed

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Maverick
You try to introduce a situation totally different from what was being discussed and I called you on it. No dumbing there.

I also see you conveniently refuse to read what was actually written in the post. Now who is the person who has a problem understanding? Be that as it may, if you cannot discuss the actual situation and stay focused on that without reverting to personal attacks as your only means of arguing it's probably best you do drop the thread.

Look up the word:  analogy.  It's good to learn things.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Bingolong
Fixed

  And Im sure you believe thats the case. Im surprised you even venture outside.

[JB88]

Originally posted by lazs2
and..  I agree with mav.   and the couple of cops here who have been shot at..  I would not rush a SKS armed nut in a mall with a snubby J frame smith or even a full size 45... I would look for a shot from cover.. even if it was a long one..  say 50 yards.. I would probly hit him but who knows.. for sure I would break up his rythum..   I would move like hell to find a new spot of cover if he took an interest in me.

Point is...  If one in ten people were armed and competent.. these guys would just stay home with a bottle and blow their brains out when they were finished.

They go to places where they can kill a bunch of sheep before they die in a hail of bullets...  it plays out real big for them...  Having a couple of civilians shooting at em is distracting and not to their liking.


lazs

once again, lazs and i agree on something.

these guys think that they won't have to contend with unknown variables.

i do not own a gun, but i not at all opposed to having them in the hands of competent people.

so long as guns are made, there should be guns in places people can't set their watches by.

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Slash27
And Im sure you believe thats the case. Im surprised you even venture outside.

Before I go walk the dog  

Luckily there arnt that many of you here.
it is the case takes about 10-12 mins as already stated and a m1 just needs a m2 kit. Wanna tell me more about fires?arms?

[storch]

I just got back from meeting up with folks from all over the world.  the tragic event in omaha was hot topic for the last two evenings of the convention at the watering hole.  a texan related an anecdote about some guy walking into a dallas mall and racking a shotgun only to have a good number of texans point handguns at him and wait until the police apprehended him.  I'm skeptic because I don't recall seeing anything like that in the news and that story would certainly be newsworthy.  do any of you texans recall the incident?