Author Topic: 109k or P38L (Read 3315 times)

Krusty · « **Reply #90 on:** January 10, 2008, 01:59:21 PM »

Keep in mind historical firing ranges were what we'd cringe at. Historically you'd get in to 150-200 yards. At that range a 30mm almost can't miss. It's only at AH ranges that we start questioning its effectiveness. 300 yard shots against fighters was long-ish range in real life.

IMO having a lot more ammo isn't an excuse to spray, just because the target is squirrelly. You have to work to get the shot, whenever you GET the shot, it'll usually go down regardless of what you shoot at it. If you're spraying you don't have that shot yet and need to hold the trigger til ya do

mtnman · « **Reply #91 on:** January 10, 2008, 09:43:07 PM »

I agree with you 100% on that one Krusty!

MtnMan

Dutchie · « **Reply #92 on:** January 11, 2008, 05:02:19 AM »

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Originally posted by mtnman
It should be pointed out that those mongoloid cannons weren't really intended or needed to shoot down fighters. They're for shooting big, lumbering easy to hit targets that shoot backwards, sideways, up, down, and even forward, with a heckuva lotta guns!

Sure, they'll work on fighters, if you can hit 'em, but you're using the wrong tool.

A hammer will work to drive a screw- but it's not the right tool. Results may not be all you'd hoped for. Using a chain saw to cut pancakes can be as frustrating as using a butter knife to cut a 2x4. Sure, the job gets done, but...

For fighters, .50's are best, mounted in the sleak, beautifully bent wings of the purtiest fighter ever- the F4U! Set your convergence for 275, and let 'em have it at D200!

MtnMan

BS, IMHO, in 109's you setup for snap shots, the more damage done with a few hits the better. .50's are not the best guns for snap shots.

kozhedub · « **Reply #93 on:** January 11, 2008, 08:36:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Dutchie
BS, IMHO, in 109's you setup for snap shots, the more damage done with a few hits the better. .50's are not the best guns for snap shots.

Who needs snapshots when you can spray HMGs all over their plane at 600 meters

Krusty · « **Reply #94 on:** January 11, 2008, 08:37:19 AM »

If you have 8 of them they do pretty darned good in snapshots! (6 ain't too shabby either!)

Dutchie · « **Reply #95 on:** January 11, 2008, 10:29:20 AM »

In a knife edge dogfight you don't get allot of trigger time, in a k4 i only need to get 1-2 30mm in and its over

Bruv119 · « **Reply #96 on:** January 11, 2008, 10:32:39 AM »

Unfortunately Dutchie not everyone is a good as you with a 109k4

Or should i say thankfully

Bruv
~S~

BaldEagl · « **Reply #97 on:** January 11, 2008, 11:08:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Dutchie
In a knife edge dogfight you don't get allot of trigger time, in a k4 i only need to get 1-2 30mm in and its over

I agree. As much time as I've spent in the 190A-8 and 109K-4 I'm quite used to the 30mm. It's as good as anything else and maybe better than most for snapshots.

On the other hand, just last night I was in a Spit XVI, cannons dry and killed a Zeke on a snapshot with just my remaining 2 .50's.

It just depends where you hit.

mtnman · « **Reply #98 on:** January 11, 2008, 07:49:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Dutchie
In a knife edge dogfight you don't get allot of trigger time, in a k4 i only need to get 1-2 30mm in and its over

Well, the same can be said for any round, if it hits the right place. From my experience, it doesn't take much of a burst from the .50's to score a kill.

I won't argue that the bigger gun makes for an easier kill in a snapshot though.

I actually find in most "knife-fights", I have more time for a shot than if I'm looking for a snapshot. My knife-fights seldom end with a snapshot, but more of a good hosing, hehe.

My guess is you've learned to score with the big gun, while I've learned to score with the smaller.

12 of one, a dozen of the other.

MtnMan