I came, I saw

[crockett]

Originally posted by lutrel
I think this set up in the AvA is the best thing since sliced bread.  I'm sorry guys, but this is not just a mini-main arena; it's the only place in AH you can get realistic planesets and still have all the strategic aspects of the game.  There are a lot of good fights in there with some very good sticks.

The increase in the number of squads/people participating in the AvA speaks for it's self.  I learned a long time ago that you may have 80% of the population happy, but the other 20% will be the ones making most of the noise.

You are missing the point I'm getting at. I'm not complaining about the AvA format on winning the war or base captures. It's good that the new format is bringing in new players. Hell I tried AvA a while back and well to be honest it wasn't much fun fighting with 5 guys in the arena.

The only reason I flew in AvA the last few days is because I've seen more players in there. So this isn't a complaint about the arena format, but rather what the change of format is pushing toward.

The point I'm making is, "Now" is the time to start trying to instill a set of "values" in new players to the AvA before it just becomes just another mini MA tardfest.

I don't care if I'm out numbered in a fight, hell I like it sometimes.. However lets push for a stop of the spawn camping and vulching. If you see a squad mate vulching a field or camping a spawn tell him it's lame.

I'm complaining because I want a place to have a good fight with out the MA tardism ruling the day. Do you really want to be vulched or spawn camped on a regular basis? Is that really fun? Is it fun do do it?

I dunno, maybe I'm just a day late and a dollar short because seems not many care about the fight anymore in this game. I was just hoping maybe the AvA could go in that direction, but It never will unless the veteran players push it.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by WMLute
To be honest I have always liked the limited plane set.  I think some of the plane matchups i've seen in the AvA are fantastic and FUN fights.

What happened to the "come to the AvA and you'll have some great FIGHTS" attitude.  Y'all can no longer make that claim.  It's not about fighting anymore, it's about land grab.

Gone are the days where you stayed out of a 1 on 1 or 2 on 1.  Gone are the days where you let them take off and get some E built up before you attacked.  Gone are the "higher caliber of fight" that you could sometimes find in the AvA.

Ya' know what I find hard to believe?  Not that someone said "let's create a 'win the war' type setup in the AvA".  I'm sure that's been requested plenty of times over the years.  I find it hard to believe that someone in charge said "GREAT IDEA! I Like it!  Let's move the focus from Aeiral Combat to Winning the War!" and implemented it.

As Slash points out, the fact is that there were only 20 or so of us who have been regularly coming to the AvA for a couple of years now.  I had many nights (as did some other dedicated types) when I would circle alone in the AvA for half an hour or more, hoping someone would show up.  When we had four or more people the fights were the best you can get in AH2, and I miss those fights a lot.  But it's not my personal arena, and it shouldn't be.  

I have earnest hope, and cautious optimism, that because we still have manageable numbers we will be able to turn people to the Way of Light.  It plainly hasn't happened yet, and I'm occasionally concerned that the forces of darkness are also at work, but I think if we all try, we can improve the quality of the combat while still enjoying a goal-oriented arena.

- oldman

[WMLute]

Originally posted by crockett
You are missing the point I'm getting at. I'm not complaining about the AvA format on winning the war or base captures. It's good that the new format is bringing in new players. Hell I tried AvA a while back and well to be honest it wasn't much fun fighting with 5 guys in the arena.

The only reason I flew in AvA the last few days is because I've seen more players in there. So this isn't a complaint about the arena format, but rather what the change of format is pushing toward.

The point I'm making is, "Now" is the time to start trying to instill a set of "values" in new players to the AvA before it just becomes just another mini MA tardfest.

I don't care if I'm out numbered in a fight, hell I like it sometimes.. However lets push for a stop of the spawn camping and vulching. If you see a squad mate vulching a field or camping a spawn tell him it's lame.

I'm complaining because I want a place to have a good fight with out the MA tardism ruling the day. Do you really want to be vulched or spawn camped on a regular basis? Is that really fun? Is it fun do do it?

I dunno, maybe I'm just a day late and a dollar short because seems not many care about the fight anymore in this game. I was just hoping maybe the AvA could go in that direction, but It never will unless the veteran players push it.

Most excellent post.

(edit: yours too oldman)

[Motherland]

Originally posted by crockett

I don't care if I'm out numbered in a fight, hell I like it sometimes.. However lets push for a stop of the spawn camping and vulching. If you see a squad mate vulching a field or camping a spawn tell him it's lame.

I'm complaining because I want a place to have a good fight with out the MA tardism ruling the day. Do you really want to be vulched or spawn camped on a regular basis? Is that really fun? Is it fun do do it?

I dunno, maybe I'm just a day late and a dollar short because seems not many care about the fight anymore in this game. I was just hoping maybe the AvA could go in that direction, but It never will unless the veteran players push it.

The point you seem to be missing is that AvA is now just that... an Axis vs. Allies arena where the point is to win a 'War' instead of just an underpopulated arena where you can find a good fight. In order to capture a base, and thus 'win the war', as the objective of the arena is, you have to supress the base until troops arrive. If you can think of a way of doing this without vulching and/or spawn camping, please let me know.

Furthermore, the Axis needs captures so we can have some half-decent 109's to fight the Allied hordes of Spit9's.

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by lutrel
I think this set up in the AvA is the best thing since sliced bread.  I'm sorry guys, but this is not just a mini-main arena; it's the only place in AH you can get realistic planesets and still have all the strategic aspects of the game.  There are a lot of good fights in there with some very good sticks.

The increase in the number of squads/people participating in the AvA speaks for it's self.  I learned a long time ago that you may have 80% of the population happy, but the other 20% will be the ones making most of the noise.

The problem is the lack of mechanism.  For example, to offset the gross side imbalances, why not have a arena configuration that forces players to the side with least numbers unless they are joining their squad?  This allows squads to stay together yet imparts some balancing force overall.  I like the overall idea but it is unfair due to weaknesses that are  difficult to control as it is.

[Emu]

Originally posted by crockett
Why have that kind of attitude of " if you don't like it don't log on". How about the veteran players make it a point of trying to teach newer players the respect for  the fight? Rather than have just another mini MA with  bad habits and crappy pilots?

We can't really change things in the MA's because there are just far too many players. However the AvA has a much smaller player base, so it would be reasonably much easier to push more of a respect for the fight mentality in the AvA.

strafing.  i remember you from the MA as a HOing, vulching, hoarding "pilot".  The amount of BS you are spitting out is very laughable.  You have the bad habits and are the crappy pilot you just described above.  How about you start by changing your own behaviour?

Back to the discussion at hand, at the time of base capture, anything goes.  Do you really think we will circle around, while the goons come in, and let you take off, grab some alt and speed, and then engage you? Or, let you come out of the VH hangar in your M8 (or whatever), get settled, and then engage you? It makes no sense.  You want to be effective, then up from another base, come in with alt and speed, and kill the camper, and spot the goons.

I hear a lot of allies whining... how very convenient you guys always find your side outnumbered.  Most of us axis experience the complete opposite, with your endless hoards of spits.  But the side imbalance is not a new thing; the problem is that the new players coming in are bringing the gamey aspects with them.  Flying in with four goons, dropping troops, and bailing.  Flying in their B26s, dive bombing, and bailing.  The incessant HOs and ganging and the capping of bases for the sole purpose of vulching (this was a lot more prevalent with the old map).

As an axis, when defending our little island yesterday, I was HOed, rammed, and vulched within my first three minutes in the game.  We try to discipline our own side into having good form.  You should too.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Emu
strafing.  i remember you from the MA as a HOing, vulching, hoarding "pilot".  The amount of BS you are spitting out is very laughable.  You have the bad habits and are the crappy pilot you just described above.  How about you start by changing your own behaviour?

Back to the discussion at hand, at the time of base capture, anything goes.  Do you really think we will circle around, while the goons come in, and let you take off, grab some alt and speed, and then engage you? Or, let you come out of the VH hangar in your M8 (or whatever), get settled, and then engage you? It makes no sense.  You want to be effective, then up from another base, come in with alt and speed, and kill the camper, and spot the goons.

I hear a lot of allies whining... how very convenient you guys always find your side outnumbered.  Most of us axis experience the complete opposite, with your endless hoards of spits.  But the side imbalance is not a new thing; the problem is that the new players coming in are bringing the gamey aspects with them.  Flying in with four goons, dropping troops, and bailing.  Flying in their B26s, dive bombing, and bailing.  The incessant HOs and ganging and the capping of bases for the sole purpose of vulching (this was a lot more prevalent with the old map).

As an axis, when defending our little island yesterday, I was HOed, rammed, and vulched within my first three minutes in the game.  We try to discipline our own side into having good form.  You should too.

You don't remember me as a HOing or Hoarding pilot.. I will admit I have vulched from time to time but not in AvA.. I never HO unless it can't be avoided. I also rarely ever fly in the hoard so you are just pulling a bunch of crap out of your aruse because I've killed you a few times and you are trying to justify your stance by bashing me.

Then again you are the type of typical MA type so you will likely not like what I said. Go figure..

[Emu]

Originally posted by crockett
You don't remember me as a HOing or Hoarding pilot.. I will admit I have vulched from time to time.. but I never HO unless it can't be avoided. I also rarely ever fly in the hoard so you are just pulling a bunch of crap out of your aruse because I've killed you a few times and you are trying to justify your stance by bashing me.

Then again you are the type of typical MA type so you will likely not like what I said. Go figure..

Dont you get tired of lying, or do you live on a state of denial?  The only times you've killed me where in the MA, and they were vulches.  I remember all of those very clearly, thats why I said anything.  I even commented how your game handle, "strafing", was so very appropriate.  You agreed and even said you werent very good, but you could hit objects in the ground.

And your comment of "I never HO unless it cant be avoided" means you HO.  

You deserve your own Bud Light Man of Genius jingle.

[WWM]

Couldn't staff just pick out 4 bases up in the corner of the map and make them uncaptureable.  Then the old school AvA players could go there and have respectable fights.  The base capture guys would not come there because there would be no need.  I am one that could not care less about capturing a base but love fighting a good clean fight with some of the oldr vets.  I get shot down 90% of the time going against the older guys but at least I had a chance.


Respectfully,

[crockett]

Originally posted by Emu
Dont you get tired of lying, or do you live on a state of denial?  The only times you've killed me where in the MA, and they were vulches.  I remember all of those very clearly, thats why I said anything.  I even commented how your game handle, "strafing", was so very appropriate.  You agreed and even said you werent very good, but you could hit objects in the ground.

And your comment of "I never HO unless it cant be avoided" means you HO.  

You deserve your own Bud Light Man of Genius jingle.

DA is open 24 hours a day..

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Blooz
Impossible.

Nobody'd be dumb enough to up 17 times from a base under direct fire of the enemy.

Please let me know your thought's the 16th time you were killed.

Was it something like..."if he kills me ONE MORE TIME, I'M LEAVING!"

The psychology of it interests me.

Whats more interesting is the psychology of the dweebs flying in packs of 10 way above everyone else.

Please let us know what your thought were as you were climbing to 30K.

Was it something, I just payed $15 to avoid a fight while I could do this off line?

[Emu]

Originally posted by crockett
DA is open 24 hours a day..

would you like me to up from there and just sit on the runway waiting for your vulch?  Or are you gonna pull an unavoidable HO on me?

I'm done having fun with you.  Your challenge is as laughable as your posts.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Emu
would you like me to up from there and just sit on the runway waiting for your vulch?  Or are you gonna pull an unavoidable HO on me?

I'm done having fun with you.  Your challenge is as laughable as your posts.

Then don't try to attack someone if you aren't willing to back it up. Just stick to the subject or simply keep your mouth shut.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by Emu
would you like me to up from there and just sit on the runway waiting for your vulch?  Or are you gonna pull an unavoidable HO on me?

I'm done having fun with you.  Your challenge is as laughable as your posts.

Smack talk holds a lot more weight when it's backed up.  Judging from both y'alls stats, it should be a fairly "even" fight.
(just sayin')

Originally posted by dedalos
Whats more interesting is the psychology of the dweebs flying in packs of 10 way above everyone else.

Please let us know what your thought were as you were climbing to 30K.

Was it something, I just payed $15 to avoid a fight while I could do this off line?

I've wondered the same thing.

The other night in the AvA it was me @ 20k in a spit 9 vs. 7 FW 190a5's,  some higher, some lower, not a one w/ a clue what to do @ alt.  I danced with them for a bit, shot down a few, wounded another 1-2 and flew off and landed.

I was trying to figure out what they were doing up there in the 1st place, as the Allies #1 were mostly otd defending against 2 to 1 numbers.

[Emu]

Originally posted by crockett
Then don't try to attack someone if you aren't willing to back it up. Just stick to the subject or simply keep your mouth shut.

i'm game. look me up.