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Offline lutrel

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« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2008, 12:01:27 PM »
I see this going down in a spiral fast; I suggest we stop putting each other down and let our bullets talk trash for us in the arena.  I pledge to keep my squad conduct as honorable as to be expected while achieving our objectives and I'm sure that the other squads will do the same.  
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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2008, 12:17:42 PM »
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i'm game. look me up.


Your tough enough to threaten him like this but above taking your trash talk to the DA?  Classy.

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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2008, 12:34:18 PM »
fwiw, I was on the other day when WMLute logged on.  I was flying axis because that was the side I picked on day 1, and as I understood it we were supposed to stick with one side.

However, Lute pointed out the numbers were very unbalanced (I never even looked) so after I got shot down I changed to Allies.

Eventually I ended up near an Axis field with Lute in Vox range.  He kept saying "guys let 'em get off the deck first.  Guys, let em start flying, let em get off the ground."  Basically he was trying to keep the Allies from vulching the field.

I think that it's a good thing for the 'regulars' to encourage this type of behavior.
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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2008, 12:56:27 PM »
As a somewhat newer pilot, i've had the opportunity to bear witness to a great many things in AHII. My original squad didn't follow immediately as I migrated here, and I spent a great, and most valuable time flying with WMLute and the Widowmakers. Primarily in the Main Arenas.

Occasionally I ventured to the AvA for the classic matchup, and the lower icon distance. I enjoy that type of gameplay. However, the "Great Fights" that many talk about were FAR FAR FAR and few inbetween. A great many "Egos" were abundant and constant flaming and verbal torture was abundant.

Many of these fights I was 1vs1, and as some know i'm NOT the best fighter pilot in here. I have much to learn and am thankful for those that have spent countless hours training me. WM's. Either way, there was ALWAYS an excuse cast on 200, and as such I learned to de-tune 200. I don't care what someone else's whine about my fight is. Maybe I did get lucky, maybe I didn't. Either way, I chose not to listen to the abuse.

The AvA has changed, and while base capture is a part of the game, the obvious issue of vulching will be included. It's just the only way to take the field. I have no sympathy for someone who tries to up 10 times from a CAP'd field. It sucks, but it's your choice. I've seen everyone do it, I've done it myself, and no one to blame but me.

As far as numbers, yea it goes back and forth both ways. I tell the allied guys not to complain or worry about it much cause it'll float the other way. Just the nature of the beast, and it suxxors, but you deal. There's ALWAYS something else to do, with this much land.

Last night was one of the most frustrating nights in the AvA. I still had fun though! Axis did have numbers for a while, but then the allies did. Axis command set up some beautiful attacks and managed to snake some bases from us in short order. Just better coordination than mine. My responsibility as CO and i'll deal. It's still a really close fight, they've taken 7 bases, we've taken 5.

This is a game. I take it as such, and I value it's entertainment. If at ANY time I stop having fun, I'll log off. This is another reason I rarely venture to channel 200, except to compliment my opponent on a good fight. I don't talk trash, not because I can't back it up, but because I fail to see the point. Why should I try to ruin someone elses fun? If I got shot down, either I made a mistake, or someone got lucky. Does it matter which?

Numbers are up, fun factor and a new strategy is in place. The game is changing and you have to accept the hard work that some are putting in, to give enjoyment to others. I for one appreciate it. Thank you!

Hope to see you in the skies of the AvA, and I hope that it's a good fight.
Either way, you'll probably see me again.

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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2008, 12:59:25 PM »
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Smack talk holds a lot more weight when it's backed up.  Judging from both y'alls stats, it should be a fairly "even" fight.
(just sayin')

 


Well don't stats don't account for much IMO.. My kill death ratio in AvA is crap because I could care less about it. Go to Mid War and I have a 9:1 kill death ratio done while flying the Ki61 and P38G's.  Go to the MA's and I think I have a 2:1 or somewhere close to that flying just about everything under the sun. Could be much higher but I up at capped fields and defend against raids.

Stats don't mean much to me. I'm sure if I was worried about kill death ratios or what ever I could likely get it up there. Trying to judge someone's skill level by their stats is not a very accurate way of doing it.

Fight them 1 on 1 a few different times in various types of fights, then you will know what their skill level is. Reason I say a few times is because everyone flys like crap at one point or another. You may catch them on a extreemly good day or a bad day.
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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2008, 01:02:43 PM »
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fwiw, I was on the other day when WMLute logged on.  I was flying axis because that was the side I picked on day 1, and as I understood it we were supposed to stick with one side.

However, Lute pointed out the numbers were very unbalanced (I never even looked) so after I got shot down I changed to Allies.

Eventually I ended up near an Axis field with Lute in Vox range.  He kept saying "guys let 'em get off the deck first.  Guys, let em start flying, let em get off the ground."  Basically he was trying to keep the Allies from vulching the field.

I think that it's a good thing for the 'regulars' to encourage this type of behavior.


Yeps that's what we need to encourge. <.S> to Lute
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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2008, 02:39:51 PM »
as for you "think you know it all's"  keep hollering, check out this thread and read my last post.

it will tell you where you can take your "go to the DA, if you don't like it recommendations"!!

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=225080
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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2008, 02:46:27 PM »
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Yeps that's what we need to encourge. <.S> to Lute


The damn lemming horde, that has come to light from the new win the war type setup the AvsA staff has tried to bring to the AvsA, will never listen and never learn the concept of  Lute's request.......

it isn't that it is gonna become a mini MA< the AvsA has already become this because of the lemming horde, rules and ethics not inplaced, followed or instilled in to the new arriving players....

"LOST CAUSE"........

but as mentioned above, the novelty of the new AvsA game play will wear off, when or how long away it is, is unforseen, and the ramifications of what happens from now til then, will more then liekly leave it a ghost town until some of the regulars before this fiasco started think about coming back........


really is nothing more to say, it is what it is........the whiners were absolutely loud enough to cause or force the Avs A staff to make a change....the only thing is they did it to make a better arena , for getting more people to fly in the AvsA, they just did not take into account for all the side effects these new ideas would bring to this once "wonderful place to fly/participate".......
"When one considers just what they should say to a new pilot who is logging in Aces High, the mind becomes confused in the complex maze of info it is necessary for the new player to know. All of it is important; most of it vital; and all of it just too much for one brain to absorb in 1-2 lessons" TC

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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2008, 02:51:08 PM »
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As far as "don't have to fly there" you are indeed correct.  I shall inform all of the III/JG26 9th ST WidowMakers of your reply and in the future we'll just go to the MW or EW when the LW starts getting stale and we want a change of pace.



 If it helps you to keep taking what I said out of context then by all means, use it however you wish.  Not sure why I expexted more from you but I wont make that mistake again.

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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2008, 03:19:57 PM »
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The damn lemming horde, that has come to light from the new win the war type setup the AvsA staff has tried to bring to the AvsA, will never listen and never learn the concept of  Lute's request.......

it isn't that it is gonna become a mini MA< the AvsA has already become this because of the lemming horde, rules and ethics not inplaced, followed or instilled in to the new arriving players....

"LOST CAUSE"........

but as mentioned above, the novelty of the new AvsA game play will wear off, when or how long away it is, is unforseen, and the ramifications of what happens from now til then, will more then liekly leave it a ghost town until some of the regulars before this fiasco started think about coming back........


really is nothing more to say, it is what it is........the whiners were absolutely loud enough to cause or force the Avs A staff to make a change....the only thing is they did it to make a better arena , for getting more people to fly in the AvsA, they just did not take into account for all the side effects these new ideas would bring to this once "wonderful place to fly/participate".......


You don't have to let it be a lost cause, if the community makes it happen it will happen. If the community gives up on it then the new players to the arena will just do the same thing they do in the other arena's.

In short it's up to the players to make the difference. Regardless of what the arena format is, dweebs will be dweebs if you let them be dweebs.
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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2008, 03:25:32 PM »
Wow. This whole thread has underlined the split in the community.

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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2008, 07:34:34 PM »
Vulching / porking / ganging / toolshedding are all integral components of base capture, and they will continue as long as base capture is the goal.  To have the "all fair fights all the time" ideal, you will need to disable base capture.  

If you disable base capture, the arena will return to its former unpopulated state.

Catch-22.

Some people want to come in and fence.  Your skill vs. my skill, best man win.

Others want a bar-room brawl.  You are in my space, I want you out.

Those who want to brawl will always win that confrontation over time, because they are willing to do whatever it takes to push you out.  Even if he is weak/unskilled/helpless vs. the fencer, he will still win because the fencer will get tired of being dealt constant "cheap shots" and will remove himself . . . which is fine for the brawler, he just wanted you out of the bar, no matter what it took.

So, the fencers are left with a choice.  You can put down the foil and join the brawl, or you can leave and hope the brawlers eventually decide they want a different bar.
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« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2008, 07:59:39 PM »
well Ltarget,
 I liked the fights we had before this "excursion " started out.it was not what most claim as 1 vs 1.........heck a 1 vs 1 fight was just an occurance that happened more often in the AvsA, it did not happen every flight......

I smacked about Lutrel's avenger's when they 1st came here, then I stepped back and gave it a different approach, and seriously, I enjoyed the Avenger's attempts at holding squad nights in the AvsA, and they did quiet well , and the JG54, Widowmaker's, Damned , Gun Fighters, etc....began to welcome them.....and things were a little better.......

I even at 1st was all for the new idea of the AvsA staff bringing this recent new concept to the AvsA...and in th beginning of it waspretty good......but things are changing drastically for the worst.......

I just hope they find a way for the "old AvsA flyers" which is very low number, and the "new comers" can find a peaceful middle ground without pessen any 1 group off anymore than has already happen.......

but at the current moment, it seems that the old "avsA flyers" are the ones losing their nice quiet arena with respectable fights that as I mentioned earlier was most times more than a simple 1 vs 1 fight......
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« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2008, 08:32:48 PM »
I'm not disagreeing with you that the current direction is disappointing for those of us that enjoyed it before.  The AvA was a refuge of sorts for me, where the only "pressure" was what I put on myself instead of the needs of the squad, where I felt free to experiment and try new things, and where the competition was friendly to boot.  

I'm just saying that I don't know how the two mindsets can coexist.  They seem diametrically opposed.  Someone is going to be disappointed.

Lute asking people to let them up off the base is a good example.  "Fairplay" dictates you let them up so they can give you a "good fight."  But if there was a base capture in progress, it is best to not let him up at all.  You would hope he would come at you to fight, but he is just as likely if not moreso to try to run away long enough to find your goon or M-3.  So the "fairplay" advocate is disappointed in any event.

I enjoy "brawling" well enough that I will be able to adjust for a while.  But I do miss my refuge.




BTW -- you still owe me some promised pony training.  :aok
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« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2008, 08:38:22 PM »
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I enjoy "brawling" well enough that I will be able to adjust for a while.  But I do miss my refuge.

BTW -- you still owe me some promised pony training.  :aok


no wonder I can not get these taxes done.I can not stay away from "the boards"

I told Scca I would hook up with him for some long awaited follow up stuff ( in the DA he requested ) , as soon as I get him his wish( a waiting to hear from him), I will shoot you a PM and set up a time to work with you on some Pony fine-tuning...my apologys for the long delay, Sir!   ~S~
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