Can we just rename it?

[5PointOh]

I see your point Crockett, This tour I have been flying the P-40 most of the time. It seems people see a P-40 and feel that its an easy kill, I recall one night I had six plane chasing me. But if its so bad why play?

[bj229r]

This game has little to do with Aces or actual fighter combat...

Lets just call the game what it really is..

Toolsheders vs Gangtards

Just toss in some air spawns and and instant power up blinky things and I'm sure that will make the average AHer happy. I just flew that last 2 hours and not a single sortie could I get a 1 on 1 fight. It was either a minimum of 4 vs 1 or nothing. Any chance of a 1 on 1 soon ended by the so called other pilot diving to the deck or running to his buddies.

Of course the toolsheders can't be left out. I mean hell they have a map to play on the size of Texas but what base do they capture? Why of course the one base that provided the only 3 way fight on the map.

I keep taking these short breaks hoping when I come back maybe just maybe something changed... I always end up being disappointed sad to say. One of these days I think I'm just gonna take a break that I don't come back from. There is really little to be desired anymore if you actually enjoy air combat that don't consist of being one of the 6 tards on the noob train chasing the single enemy.

Crockett, how can you be so smart in these areas and so...NOT, in politics

[442w30]

There are plenty of players that live and die by their score. In any scored event that will be the case.  But not everyone.  Personally I could care less about my score.  In a way it is a good thing that I don't care because my fighter score is awful.  I am a terrible pilot.  But I have some mentors who are doing there best to teach me the right way to fly.  Some day I will be good.  In the meantime when I see 1 guy getting chased by 4-5 or even 2-3, I stay away. Sure I could maybe steal a kill in a relatively safe situation but where is the sport in it.  I look for a lone enemy instead and keep my eye on the former situation in case it is one of you GREAT pilots that ends up waxing their tails. 

Point is that there are people out there, old and new, that want to do it the right way.  But the way it is done in the MA is not going to change any time soon. 

[SkyRock]

Sure I could maybe steal a kill in a relatively safe situation but where is the sport in it. 

Sig material!

[crockett]

Well, it is a game, so morality doesn't really come in to it. I see it as kind of silly to be in a horde chasing a lone guy for a 1 in 5 chance of getting the kill on the guy, and I see it as ineffective tactics for all those guys to give up alt and E to horde one target. On the other hand, the opportunity to bust a conga line of fixated chasers off a friendly's six can be most satisfying.

See, for me, the duel is the way to enjoy the chess-game aspect of ACM, usually with someone I like. Whereas, MA fighting IMHO is not usually about the chess game. Like it or not, it is usually about murdering the other guy while watching for stabs to your own back. This to me is fun. Sometimes. In SMALL doses. I have to say...for me, it IS about the killing, the visceral sensation of hunting, fighting, and killing, my mind against theirs, and getting clean away with the dirty deed. Albeit in cyberspace, virtual killing having the distinct advantage of not earning one a prison sentence. To me, the people who use "lame tactics" and never try to learn are simply not developing their full potential to kill often and well. It is all one to me you see, tactics, ACM, and sneaking up on the low six to murder the bandit,  all just tools I use so I can have the pleasure of shooting down the other plane more often and more easily. I may shake my head a little at other pilot's refusal to develop their talents, but really, in the long run, the less they learn, the easier it is for me to hunt them.

Where did you see me flying into a hoard? I let the A6M come to me. Sure I could see there were two other cons close by and more way off in the distance but that's sure not flying into a hoard. When I turned into the A6M because he was getting too close, I could see the first ki84 was coming so I expected him to join in. However at that time the P51 which would be the third plane was going at a different direction.

The p51 turned in when I started to engage the A6m. Then next thing you know a 109 or 190 flys in from somewhere else, another Ki84 and a Spitfire. You can also see the 110 that I tried to fight before all this even happened. The one 110 was the plane I tried to fight in the first place but he ran away and dove to the deck.

Where do you see me flying into the hoard? The hoard came to me, which is typical in this game anymore. There is rarely chance to get some good fighting in with out every noob in the sector showing up trying to pick a easy kill.

I flew for several hours yesterday and I managed to get two 1 on 1 fights that didn't end up with 5 noobs trying to jump in. One was a pretty good fight vs a LA7 I was again in the P40 and he had alt, which made it a challenging fight. I give him props (gon4beer) because he actually fought me and didn't try to run away and I killed him. 8) After the fight I felt a little sorry because I AFK cherry picked him the sortie before.  

Then in the same sortie I see a P39 (rook) and a spitfire on my side fighting so I hang around the edge of the fight but I let them fight their fight. Which I think is the respectable thing to do. I saw a nikki a little lower so I lose my alt and engage him. Needless to say every pass was a HO and he's spray and praying eventually knocked off both of my elevators so wasn't much of a fight after that. (typical nikki) However a amazing thing happened which is extremely rare.

The very P39 that I didn't go gang, starts to come into my fight with the Nikki, then he turned around and RTBed. So I have to assume either the Nikki called him off or he felt like repaying me for not ganging him. After flying several hours yesterday and ending up being on the losing side of a mini hoard pretty much every sortie I managed to get two 1 vs 1 fights, which ironically happened in the same sortie.

Even though the Nikki was a spray and pay HOtard and he killed me, at least it was a fair fight that didn't end up with 2 or 3 cons flying in trying to pick the easy kill. What I don't get and it's the reason for this topic, is why does it take several hours of flying looking for fights to actually only get two "real" turn fights that don't end up with every noob in the sector jumping in?

Oh and just for the record, BnZing some con or killing them with a quick pass putting your self in no danger isn't what I consider a fight. I know a lot of the people that claim they get lots of 1 on 1 fights do the typical flying in easy mode with alt picking the other con as he climbs up. That to me is not fighting and not what I consider a good 1 on 1 fight.

[crockett]

I see your point Crockett, This tour I have been flying the P-40 most of the time. It seems people see a P-40 and feel that its an easy kill, I recall one night I had six plane chasing me. But if its so bad why play?

It's not just when flying a P40, it happens in any plane if you look for the types of fight I look for. I could be like the average AH player fly a spit or some cherry pick plane then just fly around with alt getting easy one pass kills. Not really much joy in that IMHO.

Why do I continue to keep trying to find a good fight? I dunno maybe it comes from from me being an adrenaline junkie, I used to get it from the track and auto racingn now I try to get it flying a dumb video game. Getting into a "real" fight with one or two cons in a inferior plane and winning gets the heat pumping and gives yea that little rush and excitement. I don't feel like putting my life at risk jumping out of airplane or racing on the track anymore, so I try to get a little joy out of a video game that used to take some skill to master.

As I said in the post above, yea sure I could easily just up a spitfire or some other uber plane and fly safe landing a bunch of kills every sortie being part of the problem. I choose to look for real fights and it just gets tiring that there are so few of them any more. It wasn't this bad in the past and I know there have been many others on this forum that have complained about the same things. Hell half my squad doesn't even fly anymore because they all see it too.

Things have gone down hill pretty bad over the past year, so posts like this are just an atempt to try and bring back some actual fighting.

[crockett]

Crockett, how can you be so smart in these areas and so...NOT, in politics

Sorry, I find it fun to toss out bacon on a string in the Oclub. 

[crockett]

I dug through my films and found the Fight I had with the LA7. I figure it's only fair to show the good as well as the bad. I dodged a lot of HO's in the fight, but honestly HO's don't bug me much. It's very rare that I get suckered with a HO shot, and most are easy to avoid. The only ones that really bug me are Nikki's and Spit8's that HO, simply because they are so easy to spray and pray and can be hard to avoid being those fights tend to end up with a HO every pass and with the 20mm's they only have to get lucky once.

Anyway this is all I expect out of a fight in the MA.

1) I want to other con to actually fight. Don't run soon as you lose the advantage.
2) If you are in no danger from the con I'm fighting stay out of it, same goes for the other team. If I'm not a threat to you then let me fight the con I'm engaged with and I'll fight you if I kill him.
3) Don't be a lame BnZ dweeb.. If you are out numbered then cool, BnZ all you want. If it's a 1 on 1 don't be a lame BnZ dweeb live a little and actually fight. Nothing I hate more than some annoying con that BnZ's you for 5 mins and wont leave you alone but also dosen't have the skills to actually kill you.

So in short this fight qualifies for my simple 3 rules of a good fight. I could care less if I win or if you are a 2 week noob or a vet that kicks my butt. As long as you are actually willing to fight and don't need 3 or 4 buddies to help you, then I think it's a good fight no matter if I win or lose.

http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/p40vsla7.ahf


Also in reality I don't even mind fighting 2 on 1 and some 3 on 1 fights I don't expect a 1 on 1 fight every time I fly a sortie. As long as all the planes are in the mix and actually fighting I don't mind those kinda 2 or 3 vs 1 fights. The problem comes when you are fighting 1 or 2 of them and the third is keeping his alt waiting for the perfect time to cherry pick you. There is zero skill in that.

As long as I have a reasonable chance even if I'm out numbered it's ok. Typically you can turn with 3 cons that are all engaging you, but soon as you have to start dodging cherry pickers it's only a matter of time before one gets a lucky shot. Once you get over 3 cons it's pretty much a lost cause because you just can't track that may of them.

Is that really that much to ask out of the MA's just a simple bit of etiquette?

[Anaxogoras]

Good film crockett.  I really like the way you handled the throttle; I would certainly have overshot at one point there and let him get separation to run away.  That said, if I were the La-7 pilot I wouldn't have been turning so much, but bnz'ing you death.

[crockett]

Good film crockett.  I really like the way you handled the throttle; I would certainly have overshot at one point there and let him get separation to run away.  That said, if I were the La-7 pilot I wouldn't have been turning so much, but bnz'ing you death.

LOL then you would have been a dweeby kind of LA7 pilot. 

Na man in all seriousness I fly the LA7's from time to time and they are capable of turn fighting, granted it's not the plane's strongest point but it's capable none the less. The deal is, it's all in the throttle control, most people that fly it, fly full throttle on wep most of the time because they are too busy running. 

This is a old film I have I didn't catch the whole fight but it's a short rolling sisors turn fight me in a LA7 fighting a Nikki. Then the rest of the film goes on to show why LA's are so dam dweeby.    They are just far too easy to get kills in.

http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/La7-4kills.ahf

[KooLBreeZ]

Seems like to me they need to make a Arena or they may have one tailored to what you are looking for. Last I knew this game was won by base taking, not 1 Vs 1 fights. The funny thing I see on 200 is when folks complain about being ganged WHEN They are attacking a base. You have to expect this to happen WHEN YOU fly to an enemy base. As for BnZ and Turnfighting, I let the plane I am flying at the time Dictate the way I am goin to fly. If I am in my Typhy I will pick you, if I am in a turner I will turn fight you, but make no mistake if I am in typhy an you in a Nik or spit I am not gonna turnfight you, that is not flying to the advantage of the plane. Not because I am scared of ya but not playing to your advantage. If I see a country man in trouble I ASK if he needs help before I engage. If he says he needs help I will help him. You gonna have Hordes on every side nothing you can do but up an fight...Kill or Die!

[Rich46yo]

I got into a great 1 on 1 last night and was thrilled by it. I let him off the hook on a few deflection shots I had on him cause I wanted the whole thing to play out and wanted a clean kill after working onto his 6.

So then another rook dives in and kills him. I wasnt angry cause its the MA and far worse is likely to happen.

I think the entire rank system is to blame for much of the gamey play and fighting.

The running, the vulching, the hording, the gangbanging, bombing meaningless targets from 30,000' at 0300 hrs, the spawn camping. All of this caused by the rank system. I shot a guy down the other day,a highly ranked guy, and the only time I ever see him is when they have a cap on a base and he happily spawn camps away with a 10 to 1 advantage. I dont even bother much with GV'ing anymore cause Im sick of people sitting on the spawn.

I bet getting rid of the rank system would make the game better.

[SlapShot]

I'm a slow learner so, I'm liking some aspects of the game.

Let's face it, the prediction code / collision code needs work.  As it stands, you can spray someone with a nanosecond burst and BOOM...and other times, same planes you can spray with cannon rounds (YOU THINK you are hitting them) and nothing happens.  What YOU see and what the server sees is totally different.

Your only saving grace in this part of your post is that you admit that you are a "slow learner".

[SlapShot]

Last I knew this game was won by base taking, not 1 Vs 1 fights.

Tell me ... what does one exactly win ? ... 25 perks per category ? ... 

This is an "Air Combat" simulation game ... anything outside of the actual aircraft in this game ... is there to promote "Air Combat".

[stickpig]

MW maybe, but EW rarely.

Not sure what hrs you fly but 7-10PST in MW during the week is great. Low #'s, (35-40) but great fights
Weekends seem to be okanytime except early AM PST hours.

IN EW you have to look at roster to see what your gonna get. If the SOARS are on its gonna be land grab GV style with an occasional air battle.

Really need more people to check out MW and EW.