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Offline stephen waldron

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Too much water on Aces High maps
« on: June 04, 2008, 09:11:21 AM »
      Here's another thing that has bothered me since the beginning.  If Aces High was designed primarily as an "Aircraft" combat simulation game, Why is there so much WATER on nearly ALL the maps ?   Just take a look at the rest of the WishList posts, and it's clear how many players would like to turn Aces High into a NAVAL combat simulation game as well.  Mines, Mine Sweepers, Submarines, BattleShips, Bigger Fleets, More Ship Guns, Specialized Ammo for ship guns, and on and on and on. 
       I think Aces High has created its' own MONSTER.  It looks to me like during the design process, someone highjacked the game concept and steered it towards a NAVAL game by putting a disproportionate amount of water on the majority of maps.   I suspect it may even have been a benevolent decision.  Afterall, many planes were designed specifically to fight from carriers.  Even though all these carrier planes DID HISTORICALLY OPERATE FROM LAND BASES AS WELL.   But no matter how benevolent an idea is, sometimes the "Law of Unintended Consequences" kicks in and suddenly the "good" idea turns into a very "bad" idea.
       This problem of direction should be addressed by AH before it gets any worse.   Future maps should have far less water on them.   Take a lesson from the armor component in the game.  Most maps incorporate an abundance of forrested and mountainous terrain, serving as a natural barrier to armored ground units.   As a consequence, few bases are taken by armor and few squadrons are tank oriented.   Why then design maps that cater to wanna be admirals ?

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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2008, 09:25:26 AM »
some maps have no water at all.

Including the naval aspect into MA dweebery is another added fun factor.  I don't see any positives in removing this aspect of AH.


"As a consequence, few bases are taken by armor and few squadrons are tank oriented"  I think your also very mistaken in this sentence there are many squads that love a good GV scrap.   I would rather see tanks removed than see carrier action disappear.

At least planes can be launched from CV's and this is Aces High not Gv's low.  Nobody is forcing you to participate in CV action, it is there if you fancy it but is in no way mandatory.



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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 09:51:28 AM »
That's it...

Steve.. how long have you been playing this game?  If it's been less than 2 years, then please just play it for awhile before getting upset about features that you have obviously not matured enough to appreciate.

Too much water?  My God, man.. what the heck is the Pacific Ocean?  Are you aware that a major portion of the USA and Japan's involvement had to do with that body of WATER?

Besides.. The only ground features an aircraft would be concerned with are airfields and targets, right?  What difference does the rest of the terrain make?

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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2008, 09:54:46 AM »
I hate maps with no water. CVs = short flights, low alt fights
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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 09:55:26 AM »
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few bases are taken by armor

You mean MOST bases are taken by gv...taking a base with no gv spawn point is way harder. You'll know when the time comes.
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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 10:08:04 AM »
Easy guys...I wouldn't take this troll seriosly anymore...  after all, it's the one that wrote

Simply put, if you are close enough to friendlies to be seen, and your radio equipment is undamaged...  You should have EXTERNAL VIEW.   Suddenly all the personalities and incompetancy of the VIDEO GAME culture are eliminated, And the game becomes more REALISTIC.

 I'm just not a "chaos" and "fun" loving kind'a guy.   I've seen the Elephant.. and I take wargaming VERY SERIOUSLY.

Barely one or two bases on the whole map were usable by heavy bombers.  Personally i think this amounts to an anti-bomber predjudice that seems to prevade the entire Aces High culture.  

      Does anyone know how to keep bomber drones from blowing up and crashing into the ground on landings ?  I have experienced a GREAT deal of difficulty landing Lancaster and B-17 drones safely.  Most of the time, i lose both drones.
 

  There's NO WAY anyone can "practice" for having a CV change couse on them while they are taking off, or on final approach.  You can't even SEE the carrier the last few seconds before you touch down..  So how do you adjust to a turning carrier you CAN'T SEE ?

For something so easily "practiced" and "adusted" for... i see DOZENS of planes CRASHING every night trying to land and take off from turning carriers.   Some of these pilots may be NEW to carrier operations, but they ALL arn't inexperienced and unpracticed pilots.  That bucket just doesn't hold any water.   I've heard plenty of people in this game claim they can do all kind of things nobody else seems to be able to reproduce. 

Again. There's NO WAY to practice taking off from a turning carrier and i'm not going to waste my internet time trying to prove to myself someone can.  (...)  It's not about rudders and ailerons.  It's about Cruisers and Destroyers speeding across the bow of a Carrier at 40 knots because the CV is turning while planes are taking off.  And watching friendly aircraft smash into their own combat ships.  THAT'S CARTOONISH.

    Forget "dogfighting".  Flyers who dogfight (especially solo, without a wingman) are just sitting ducks.   If you have to resort to dogfighting to stay alive...  you botched picking your target in the first place. 
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You do what any REAL fighter pilot would do.  You use your dive energy to climb back up to a safe altitude and you fly home to get more bullets.  You don't resort to a dogfight.

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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 10:12:34 AM »
75% of the world is made up of water.  'Nuff said.
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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 10:34:42 AM »
Easy guys...I wouldn't take this troll seriosly anymore...  after all, it's the one that wrote

And actually I have a vague idea who's shade this might be ... I could be wrong, though  :noid  ;)


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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 11:43:39 AM »
Easy guys...I wouldn't take this troll seriosly anymore...  after all, it's the one that wrote

And actually I have a vague idea who's shade this might be ... I could be wrong, though  :noid  ;)


Lusche, that is really, really low  :rolleyes:

On-topic, whilst I often find driving GVs interminably boring and time consuming (in a plane at least you can entertain yourself en-route a bit more) (and there's no trees at 5K (usually)) I do find it easier to take a base with an M-3 than with a goon...that said, goons can be extremely fun, seeing as they're so manoeuvrable.
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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 11:44:54 AM »
Lusche, that is really, really low  :rolleyes:

Not by me.  :P
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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 11:54:02 AM »
75% of the world is made up of water.  'Nuff said.

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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2008, 12:05:39 PM »
Tell me again why we shouldnt have the "ignore feature" in this forum?
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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 12:13:05 PM »
Tell me again why we shouldnt have the "ignore feature" in this forum?

Unfortunately, it's probably not an option for the forum software.

There are a couple of recent pests I would make poster children for the 'FGSSMTFPTSTIUF'* Foundation.

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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2008, 12:18:12 PM »
    I use my real name in the forum, i don't hide my identity for some nefarious purpose.  That having been said, i would ignore the comments of anyone who resorted to name calling (see TROLL) as a substitute for making a valid argument.
    By the way, thankyou for posting some of my other quotes in this forum, but i would warn the readers "quotes" are often selectively taken out of context by people who use insults.   Apparantly my criticism of certain aspects of AH somehow threatens "Lusche".  All i can figure is that my comment about "dog fighting" being a waste of time set him off, because he reckons himself to be an expert flyer.
    If you go back and read the ENTIRE post, you'll find i quoted famous aces, (REAL ACES) who said precisely the same thing.  Dog Fighting is a manuever of LAST RESORT.  Used by wreckless pilots who fail to engage wisely, or are surprised by the enemy.   Lusche wants to sell you on the idea of "dog fighting" him so he can continue to run up his kills.  I've shot down both Lusche and Tien Lung by diving on them while they were VULCHING the newbies tryin to hide under their own flak.
    

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Re: Too much water on Aces High maps
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2008, 12:20:30 PM »
   I use my real name in the forum, i don't hide my identity for some nefarious purpose.  That having been said, i would ignore the comments of anyone who resorted to name calling (see TROLL) as a substitute for making a valid argument.
    By the way, thankyou for posting some of my other quotes in this forum, but i would warn the readers "quotes" are often selectively taken out of context by people who use insults.   Apparantly my criticism of certain aspects of AH somehow threatens "Lusche".  All i can figure is that my comment about "dog fighting" being a waste of time set him off, because he reckons himself to be an expert flyer.
    If you go back and read the ENTIRE post, you'll find i quoted famous aces, (REAL ACES) who said precisely the same thing.  Dog Fighting is a manuever of LAST RESORT.  Used by wreckless pilots who fail to engage wisely, or are surprised by the enemy.   Lusche wants to sell you on the idea of "dog fighting" him so he can continue to run up his kills.  I've shot down both Lusche and Tien Lung by diving on them while they were VULCHING the newbies tryin to hide under their own flak.
    

again, whats your ingame handle? Your real name isn't much of itnerest, it's all about the game only

Show me where I ever tried to sell my "idea of doghfighting" to anyone. I never do. Besides that everybody playin this game for a while pretty much knows: Im no furballer, I am primary a BnZ/E fighter. And I never claimed anywhere I don't vulch.

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