South Osetia under attack

[ghi]

 Watching the the Georgian president on News few min ago, screaming for western help , i was thinking : with all his studies in west, he  is dumb and naive  if was planing to  urinate on Russia's backyard, without getting punished . Was he expecting for USA to nuke Moscow and save his office?

[007Rusty]

            

Watching the the Georgian president on News few min ago, screaming for western help , i was thinking : with all his studies in west, he  is dumb and naive  if was planing to  urinate on Russia's backyard, without getting punished . Was he expecting for USA to nuke Moscow and save his office?

[AKIron]

Again, simply read (see: Stop watching FOX news) and you will understand.

I spent 20 years in the military and have relatives in now. I suspect I know more about our capabilites than you. Maybe you shouldn't believe every political hack you read on teh internets.

[rabbidrabbit]

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Quote from: MORAY37 on Today at 09:55:47 AM
has already brought all of our forces to the point that they couldn't put out an outhouse fire in Mexico
where do you make this stuff up?

author=Yeager link=topic=243480.msg2971276#msg2971276 date=1218215125]
where do you make this stuff up?
[/quote]

He and Boroda smoke the same stuff.  No other way to explain the detachment from observable fact.

[Rich46yo]

Watching the the Georgian president on News few min ago, screaming for western help , i was thinking : with all his studies in west, he  is dumb and naive  if was planing to  urinate on Russia's backyard, without getting punished . Was he expecting for USA to nuke Moscow and save his office?

Its more complicated then that. Georgia is sitting right in the middle of the highway of possibly the largest untapped energy reserve left on the planet.

We need the energy reserves. Most of all Europe needs them, but all of us do.

To allow the latest exuse of a Russian strongman Govt. to gain a stranglehold on the tap is really to allow them to hold us by the short hairs. Wars have been fought for less. And there is no way America and Europe should leave Georgia to its own fate. Nor will we. The march towards full NATO membership, and weapons sales, will, if anything, only be quickened. Russia also cant afford a major conflict with NATO because theres no way they could win it.

But there is a real possibility for a major conflict here in the future. Heres a primer for what is really at stake.
http://europe.theoildrum.com/story/2006/11/18/102426/08
NATO might decide that a Russian take over of the Caspian energy pipeline is equivelant to a hostile takeover of the energy reserves in the Middle East. If that happens then there very likely will be a major conflict.

Now think like a Russian chess player. Do you see what this is all about now?

[MORAY37]

I spent 20 years in the military and have relatives in now. I suspect I know more about our capabilites than you. Maybe you shouldn't believe every political hack you read on teh internets.

I was unclear that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs was a political hack.  Though I might have to cede this point, he WAS after all, appointed by Bush.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has completed the risk assessment, and it is expected to be delivered to Capitol Hill this month. Because he has concluded the risk is significant, his report will include a letter from Defense Secretary Robert Gates outlining steps the Pentagon is taking to reduce it.

[Dnil]

plenty of photos on militaryphotos.net have to wade through the propaganda but lots of pics.

[Boroda]

Carpet bombing? Have you looked at the Georgian Air Force? I must have missed those Strategic bombers in their arsenal.

Boroda - you have really out done yourself this time (and that's saying something).

"Thousands dead in huge bombing raid on city" 

Aaah, it's our brave Brits, who don't count anything with less then 20,000 people killed in one air raid.

Now let me explain: Multiple Launch Rocket System like BM-21 "Grad", one launcher, with one salvo, turns several hectares of terrain into nothing but burning soil. Georgians deployed 27 launchers shooting point blank at Tskhinval. They also had several howitzer divisions and multiple heavy mortars. They were so self-confident and in such a hurry that they stockpiled spare Grad rockets on the ground right beside launchers.

Coventry was a minor accidental bombing compared to that.

[Boroda]

Let's see some pictures of that city that got completely destroyed. Let's also see some pictures of the Georgian bombers that are capable of carpet bombing.

Btw, the pictures of the Georgian tanks you posted sure look like Soviet built tanks to me and not M-60s or M-1s. More bogus crap from you.

Bulgaria and other former Warsaw Treaty countries are NATO members now. They "kindly donated" their weapons to "freedom loving" Georgia, old Soviet/Polish/whatever hardware. US sold them some UH-1 choppers that remain the only things able to fly there.

[AKIron]

I was unclear that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs was a political hack.  Though I might have to cede this point, he WAS after all, appointed by Bush.

The military will never admit that they have plenty of resources. Soon as they do they start losing what they have. To say we couldn't very easily engage in a much larger war than what we face in Afghanistan and Iraq pretty quickly is only said by the military looking for more funds or someone looking to criticize the commander in chief.

[Boroda]

Yes, and there are conflicting reports on who started it.

How can you imagine a country 10 times smaller attack a bigger neighbor equipped with relatively modern airforce, hundreds of tanks, heavy and rocket artillery? Ask Finns about Mainila. That's pure idiocy.

Before 1400 MSK no one here could ever believe that our bloody "party and government" will ever dare to openly involve into a conflict to help Russian citizens abroad.

Look, they showed Grads shooting at Tskhinval on their TV. Creatures who do such things should be punished.

[Holden McGroin]

Aaah, it's our brave Brits, who don't count anything with less then 20,000 people killed in one air raid.

I'm glad the Russians do not approve of this:

[mora]

How can you imagine a country 10 times smaller attack a bigger neighbor equipped with relatively modern airforce, hundreds of tanks, heavy and rocket artillery? Ask Finns about Mainila. That's pure idiocy.

[Boroda]

So you admit that Mainila was a true casus belli and a Finnish fault?!

[Elfie]

Georgian tanks ARE soviet built,you dumb as#.

I won't stoop to the same name calling you did, but I will quote what I was referring to. 

Georgian tanks and other machinery sent by their NATO friends is burning brightly in Tskhinval's suburbs.

If the Georgian tanks had been sent by NATO they wouldn't be the Soviet built tanks we see in the picture Comrade Boroda was kinda enough to post along with the statement I quoted from him.

Maybe you should have read the thread a bit more carefully.