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Offline Yenny

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Why do people hate BnZ?
« on: August 24, 2008, 03:26:02 PM »
Maybe it's just the furballers that hate it? I enjoy land grabbing and furballing all together. Furballing, my objective is just to have fun, I usually just up in a capped base, or fight at TT. I would just look for the biggest red blob on the map and fly to it. That's my furballing mentality. About 80% of my sorties are furballing.

My mentality change when I fly land grabbing mission. My objective is to remain air borne over target area as long as I can to provide air cover. The best way for me to do that would be BnZ, which is why I usually BnZ on these fighter cover mission. It's effective, I can kill stuff left and right, keeping the area clear so that bombers and goonies can come in. Here is where I have no problem vulching if it's needed. I usually don't vulch because I just don't wanna face the AAAs and it waste a lot more rounds then air to air kills. 

Most people picture bnzmers as alt monkey. I think those are wrong term, we're more of opportunist or picker w/e it's called nowaday. I rarely fly over 7k in D9 at a combat zone. Only time I would fly my D9 over 7k is if I am roping someone. If the ACK are down, I would most likely fly around 4k and directly over the air field. Reason for not flying high is because most fight will be under 5k. The higher you are the longer it takes for you to dive on your target. Even with chop throttle, those high alt dive still creat too much speed for an effective shot. If the ACK are up, I usually would fly at 6k above the airfield or away from the air field. I rely on my aiming and fuel management to maximize my time over target area to provide cover. I only BnZ when I'm on land grabbing mission because it's usually really boring and no challange. However, it's really effective in CAP over the enemy air space, so that's why I usually BnZ when I do CAP.

Lately, since people been frowning on me flying bnz mission=/ I kinda step back and not fly it as much as I used to. Maybe 2-3 BnZ sorties a day then I'd go to TT and furball. Kinda step away from land grabbing stuff and mainly focusing on furball. I do miss it sometimes though, I really enjoy the team work that land grabbing mission offers. It's the other aspect of the game that I really like other then just dogfighting. Strafing building, putting VH out through gazillions of acks and flaks fire.

Overall though, I believe BnZ is probably the best way to fly for CAP sorties over enemy air field. Since the objective is to take the base, rather then furballing. People always talk smash about D-9 pilots, but take a look at 38s, Niki, tiff they just do the same thing but in a different plane. Most good pilot in any plane will do the same thing, they will not just straight up chop throttle to settle onto a target, because in a furball environment you're not just facing one. You will need speed to dodge them other plane that takes passes at ya. So for base capping mission, thumbs up for you bnzmers out there.

I'll post a few film for people to see how effective BnZ is compare to the tnb stuff for land grabbing mission. BnZ sorties in D-9 usually last 40 mins. 25 out of those 40 min are over target area, the other 15 are ingress and egress. D9 surfers from the small fuel tanks and vulnerable radiator (some how that watermelon always go out, almost to any kind of angle). So I always fight with drop tank on and use it til it's empty before I drop them. 25 min over enemy air space is enough air time to be effective in keeping stuff down until the bombers/goons arrive.

My though on vulching, if you're willing to go through gazillion of flaks and ACKs then you probably deserve it.

http://files.filefront.com/Airfield+Capping+2ahf/;11594440;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/BnZ+Filmahf/;10815618;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/CAP+Airfield+12ahf/;10367677;/fileinfo.html

Disclaimer  :lol : All these films are just BnZ, Pick, and Vulch. It's not intend to show ACM. It's intend is to show the effectiveness of BnZ as CAP for a base capture.

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2008, 03:37:33 PM »
Hello Yenny,

I don't hate it.  I use it as well as other tactics and ways of flying as the situation dictates.  So in a nutshell Sir, who cares as long as you are having fun? :rock

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2008, 03:38:56 PM »
I BnZ in a BnZ plane, I turn in a turning plane, I furball in a furballing plane.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 04:07:31 PM »
Yenny the only time Ive ever seen a D9 at 7k is when they are climbing after takeoff or when they are running, which is pretty much always. Im not saying I dont believe you Im just saying that most dont fly them like that. Pickers dont bother me to much no-how cause Ive learned how to avoid them. Its really the real good sticks at co-Alt that mostly give me trouble.

But right now Im keying on ID'ing strengths of both the aircraft Im flying, against the one Im fighting, and exploiting them in real time. You cant do that against pick and run run90s. Nor can you really do it much in big furballs. I prefer the nimble, all around, Yank and Brits sets cause I can do a little of everything in them. Including blow things up with ords.

I frankly feel that for someone who really wants to learn this game the P-38 has a lot to offer.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2008, 04:09:52 PM »
thats why

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2008, 04:33:04 PM »
Where in the world did you get that awesome Spitfire scot!!!  :O  ;)

I don't hate BnZers's. It's part of a dogfight. However, I do find it a bit annoying when there ar 20 pilots flying around at 15K, and all are BnZing when they could easily deack and CAP the airfield.

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2008, 04:43:16 PM »
It has now become a necesity to learn how to BnZ now. Personally, I never go past 5 or 6K, just because its not worth it, as you say. But latley its been worse and worse; alt monkeys in Hurri2Cs at 15 or 16K. spit14s at 20K, thats whats called picking and or score *horing. I take up an F4U at 5K and land 5 or more kills before I resupply or land them. I know that most fights are on the deck, and the some of the best score *hores on the game are at 7 or 8K in their spixteens or LAs.
They seem to make the game more fun when you own them from off their perch, just becasue they have no talent what so ever. I also love when the spixteen from the deck tries to climb to you, even if he somehow makes it up to you, in a F4U, its still hard for them to beat you, just because its one of the best turners in the game.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2008, 04:49:29 PM »
I don't hate BnZers but if it's a 1 on 1 fight, then yea it's pretty lame if they have a capable aircraft and do nothing but BnZ. That annoys the hell out of me and causes me to call them a tard on ch200. :rolleyes: The reason is because in most cases, those are the same tards that run like a girl from a 1 on 1, soon as they lose that alt advantage.

If I'm at a enemy base and I'm out numbered, then hell yea I'll BnZ them like a mofo, because you dam sure know you will get ganged if you try to give them a fair fight. If I'm fighting a Zeek or a Huri2 then I'll BnZ them like a mofo because if you fly those planes you deserve to get BnZed.  :D  Any other plane I'll almost always drop my alt to give a fair 1 on 1 fight if I'm higher and there are no other threats around.





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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2008, 04:51:19 PM »
'Cause I killed Kenny.


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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2008, 04:56:51 PM »
'Cause I killed Kenny.



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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2008, 05:03:13 PM »
Serious answer: Because if you are fighting 1 faster plane booming and zooming you, you have a chance of being shot down and almost 0 chance of shooting them down, unless they let you. When you find yourself fighting a group of boom&zoom planes who know what they are doing, you have a very good chance of being shot down and again almost 0 chance of shooting one of them down, unless one of them lets you. People don't like them odds, (when they are the victim anyway, they are great odds when you're on the other end of it.) So they whine.

BTW, it is actually difficult to get a lot of kills bnzing one knows what they are doing. Getting a pick on a sleeper is actually rare, if you fly in a gang, your individual chance of getting a kill is divided by however many gangers you have with you. That leaves E-fighting as an individual, which is more difficult than t'n'b fighting, or working effectively as a group (against reasonably even odds), which is even more difficult. In either case, high-speed gunnery is a difficult art.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2008, 05:23:23 PM »
That leaves E-fighting

Just in case you're not familiar with true E-fighting which is more than Boom & Zoom...

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/efight/efight.htm

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2008, 05:28:00 PM »
I don't hate people who bnz, i do however hate people who bnz poorly, without aggression.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2008, 05:32:29 PM »
without aggression.

That's majority of BnZoomers