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Offline Yenny

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2008, 11:05:51 PM »
I only watched the first film, but that is what I call the typical late night Nit hoard. I know all countries are guilty of it, but it seems like it's always the Nit's that have 80% of their players milk hoarding a single enemy base for easy kills night after night. I have nothing aginst being at another base and BnZing them if the fight is close to even or you are at a disadvantage. The problem was you guys out numbered them and "could have" given them a more respectable fight.

That kind of hoard close to the base picking off low E cons isn't vulching but it's about as close to pulling wings off flies as you can get. If you are out numbered or trying to capture the base, then by all means cap the field if you can. However that kind of milk hoarding for easy kills is exactly why the fighting sucks so much these days.

I up at capped bases all the time if the cons are low but if it's late at night and it's the Nits, I don't even bother because I know they aren't there to actually fight, they just want easy kills. I can't stand that crap.

Yenny you have very good aim and gunnery, but seems like you are always just looking for the easy way to land a bunch of kills vs fighting and earning them. I guess to each their own, nothing wrong with getting some easy kills here and there hell I take them when I can get them, but try putting yourself in situations where you have to actually fight for the kills.

As a side note, it sure as hell shows how uber that damn 190 is in this game.. No way in hell could you dive in like that in a 109 "on" the throttle and pull back out with out face planting.

Oh yea, I know I can do this all day and just about any plane. However, I don't. I'd do 2-3 BnZ run a day and that's about it. The rest of my time I'm in a K4 or a D9 some where OTD at TT. That was a base cap also, if you notice we took out ALL hangers, which was why the biship couldn't up and the Knight end up with having number advantage. I was just keeping planes down so that the buff mission could come in w/o much trouble.

BnZ missions for me are mainly for base capture only, so my goal is to try and remain air borne over the base as long as I can and provide CAP til either I'm bingo or dead.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2008, 11:46:44 PM »
makes sense I just never put that title to it.

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2008, 11:52:57 PM »
No way... that was going on well before any buffs came over. Alot of guys just got sick of upping because there really didn't look to be any hint of taking the base until an hour later when about six sets of buffs arrived. only the die hards and idiots like me stuck about to increase your K/D and destroy ours.

I don't quite know why you even bought this up...did you get some grief and feel a bit guilty or something. Man..... it is what it was. a New day will come tomorrow.

That is a very effective way to cap a field................. when land grabbing.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2008, 11:58:54 PM »
No way... that was going on well before any buffs came over. Alot of guys just got sick of upping because there really didn't look to be any hint of taking the base until an hour later when about six sets of buffs arrived. only the die hards and idiots like me stuck about to increase your K/D and destroy ours.

I don't quite know why you even bought this up...did you get some grief and feel a bit guilty or something. Man..... it is what it was. New day.

That is a very effective way to cap a field................. when land grabbing.

We shut down the base by capping it, then our buffs arrive. Notice when I got to the fight til the buff arrived was 20 minutes. I'm just saying bnz is a good way to cap an air field for base capture. ^_^ what you want us to let those guys up? I think our goal was mainly just to take the base, not furballing.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2008, 01:46:06 AM »
What people here are calling bnz, I call "One Pass, Haul Ass" (OPHA). Not always a bad idea, but hard to kill anyone awake doing that.
Why? I hate it when people do it well and shoot me down.

This why you dont succeed. Ive seen you with a lot of altitude and you zoom in with way too much speed to move your nose more then five degrees off your approach angle and then you zoom out to 6k before regrabbing (zooming). You attacked me once when I was out of ammo. I got you down to equal energy states and reversed on you easily because you dont intend to turn when you attack like that. Had I any ammo you would not have gone any further. You can learn when to slow down and still live. Let someone show you how to handle your plane nose high. Even SHawk has learned to do that now and he used to be a one pass-er.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2008, 02:39:09 AM »
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They are either too cautious and fail to kill effectively in a reasonable length of time or overcommit their E and get themselves into a compromising position.

 True, Zazen.

 In that lies the irony: people don't complain when they manage the latter case, and actually shoot the BnZer down. As a matter of fact, they are generally even pleased with themselves when they manage to do that. But when they meet someone in the former case, or not be able to kill someone despite dragging the fight to the latter, then they start complaining.

 Hence, people do not complain about BnZ. They complain about not being able to kill someone.

 Simply put, just like any other whine you see on the boards, its simply nothing but a sore expression of;

"If you had fought the way I'd liked you to have fought, I would have won. But since you don't fight the way I like, and you fight the way you like, I hate you for it."

 What amazes me is most of these same people, give out advices in other posts like, "fly what you want" or "I fly the way I like - it's my 15 bucks".

 Funny, eh?
 


 

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2008, 07:40:05 AM »
True, Zazen.

 In that lies the irony: people don't complain when they manage the latter case, and actually shoot the BnZer down. As a matter of fact, they are generally even pleased with themselves when they manage to do that. But when they meet someone in the former case, or not be able to kill someone despite dragging the fight to the latter, then they start complaining.

 Hence, people do not complain about BnZ. They complain about not being able to kill someone.

 Simply put, just like any other whine you see on the boards, its simply nothing but a sore expression of;

"If you had fought the way I'd liked you to have fought, I would have won. But since you don't fight the way I like, and you fight the way you like, I hate you for it."

 What amazes me is most of these same people, give out advices in other posts like, "fly what you want" or "I fly the way I like - it's my 15 bucks".

 Funny, eh?
 


 

Yea, it has always been this way. Not everyone appreciates how disciplined you must be to pull it off properly. There is always the diametrically opposed factors of getting kills and not getting killed tugging at you. The former requires you to be very aggressive and the latter requires prudent discretion...For example...

Yesterday, Hand had some altitude with an F4U-D and he was doing a great job BnZ'ing. I am not sure how many he got before I killed him. But, he showed great discipline and for a while was engaging multiple cons in rapid succession with effective passes without giving up his E advantage. At one point, for a few minutes, he had five of us scrambling and ducking unable to gain any alt/E all by himself. I find it very impressive when someone does that and Hand and I chatted about it for a few minutes on 200 afterward. To me that is more what air combat is/was really about, using your advantages to maximum effect. I find what Hand did much more impressive than a Zeke pilot using his advantages by heaving around on his stick. It requires much more thought, discipline and SA to be a truly good BnZ'er.

The problem is, and the reason for this thread is that some ere too far on the side of caution so as to not get killed. You never hear about the countless others that ere the other way to attempt to get more kills and the BnZing predator becomes the victim of his prey. It is really true that everyone loves a pelt dispenser and no one likes a pelt miser, it's always been this way.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2008, 08:39:17 AM »
It has now become a necesity to learn how to BnZ now. Personally, I never go past 5 or 6K, just because its not worth it, as you say. But latley its been worse and worse; alt monkeys in Hurri2Cs at 15 or 16K. spit14s at 20K, thats whats called picking and or score *horing. I take up an F4U at 5K and land 5 or more kills before I resupply or land them. I know that most fights are on the deck, and the some of the best score *hores on the game are at 7 or 8K in their spixteens or LAs.
They seem to make the game more fun when you own them from off their perch, just becasue they have no talent what so ever. I also love when the spixteen from the deck tries to climb to you, even if he somehow makes it up to you, in a F4U, its still hard for them to beat you, just because its one of the best turners in the game.
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2008, 08:53:20 AM »
decipher please. :confused:

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2008, 09:51:09 AM »
Ooh... Ooh... I know that one.  I hate BnZ because he always argues with me on the BBs.  ;)
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #56 on: August 25, 2008, 09:56:32 AM »
Ooh... Ooh... I know that one.  I hate BnZ because he always argues with me on the BBs.  ;)

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #57 on: August 25, 2008, 10:12:54 AM »
Ooh... Ooh... I know that one.  I hate BnZ because he always argues with me on the BBs.  ;)

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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
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Re: Why do people hate BnZ?
« Reply #59 on: August 25, 2008, 11:42:44 AM »
I don't hate BNZ. I hate the tools that run a sector and a half after I equal their E and turn back every time I turn around only to repeat this for 10-15mins. The same guy usually gets brave once I'm in a turn fight with a spit and swoop in for the pick 5 mins later only to run some more after the spit is dead.

I have no problem killing these guys once they run out of gas and floating down helpless.