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Offline Elfie

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2008, 10:04:30 PM »
A Cajun would say it just like he spelled it. ;)

I could be mistaken, but I don't think Skyrock is Cajun. ;)
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Offline Hangtime

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2008, 10:08:13 PM »
I know.. that's why it cracked me up. I mean... what're the odds? hehehhhee
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Offline Elfie

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2008, 10:11:12 PM »
He's a teacher too....so I had to give him crap for misspelling it.  :devil
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Offline Leslie

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2008, 01:20:37 AM »
Anyone know how long gasoline would still be good in storage?  I have some that is about 4 years old with the preservative in it.  Only gave it one preservative treatment and that was about 3 years ago.  It runs a lawnmower but was wondering if it could damage a generator if I used it.  Or should I dump it and buy fresh gas if it looks bad for a hurricane?  Lawnmower man said it was red colored and old gas.  To me it looks blue-green when pouring from the can.



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Offline SkyRock

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2008, 01:33:59 AM »
Katrina wasn't a national emergency, it was a local emergency.


Btw....its guarantee.....not garuntee.....    :devil
it wasnt a national emergency?   More people died in Katrina than in 9/11.  Therein lies the difference in our views on this topic. :aok

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Offline Elfie

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2008, 05:59:57 AM »
it wasnt a national emergency?   More people died in Katrina than in 9/11.  Therein lies the difference in our views on this topic. :aok

Katrina didn't cause an emergency anywhere on the west coast, nor did it cause an emergency anywhere north of Louisiana or east of Mississippi. With that in mind, just how was it a national emergency and not a localized emergency?
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Offline Goth

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2008, 06:56:06 AM »
it wasnt a national emergency?   More people died in Katrina than in 9/11.  Therein lies the difference in our views on this topic. :aok


Offline Hornet33

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2008, 07:39:50 AM »
Sweet, I was going to update the map again this morning and low and behold, the map I posted to start this thread will update every time NOAA and the Hurricane Forcast Center issue an update. :aok  That's pretty cool.
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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2008, 07:41:56 AM »
Sweet, I was going to update the map again this morning and low and behold, the map I posted to start this thread will update every time NOAA and the Hurricane Forcast Center issue an update. :aok  That's pretty cool.
That is very kewl, NOAA been on me favorites since I had a comp! :aok

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Offline Hornet33

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2008, 08:17:22 AM »
Taking no chances, city officials began preliminary planning to evacuate and lock down the city in hopes of avoiding the catastrophe that followed Katrina in 2005.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin left the Democratic National Convention in Denver to return home for the preparations. Gov. Bobby Jindal declared a state of emergency to lay the groundwork for federal assistance, and put 3,000 National Guard troops on standby.

This is were they failed last time, but it's good to see they learned their lesson and are being proactive this time around. Seems like Gov Jindal has his head screwed on straight.
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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2008, 10:26:56 AM »
Taking no chances, city officials began preliminary planning to evacuate and lock down the city in hopes of avoiding the catastrophe that followed Katrina in 2005.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin left the Democratic National Convention in Denver to return home for the preparations. Gov. Bobby Jindal declared a state of emergency to lay the groundwork for federal assistance, and put 3,000 National Guard troops on standby.

This is were they failed last time, but it's good to see they learned their lesson and are being proactive this time around. Seems like Gov Jindal has his head screwed on straight.

I never said they didnt fail, but you guys are making it sound like the presidents hands were tied which is not the case.  He is the big dog.  He could have cut through the red tape and made it happen.  Instead, he dodged responsibilty and lied afterwards about not being warned about the levees breaking and such:

In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans’ Superdome and overwhelm rescuers.  Bush didn’t ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: “We are fully prepared.”



Bush declared four days after the storm, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees” that gushed deadly floodwaters into New Orleans.



The findings:
"A Failure of Initiative," it is one of three separate reviews by the House, Senate and White House.

The 600-plus-page report lays primary fault with the passive reaction and misjudgments of top Bush aides, singling out Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, the Homeland Security Operations Center and the White House Homeland Security Council, according to a 60-page summary of the document obtained by The Washington Post. Regarding Bush, the report found that "earlier presidential involvement could have speeded the response" because he alone could have cut through all bureaucratic resistance.

The report, produced by an 11-member House select committee of Republicans chaired by Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), proposes few specific changes. But it is an unusual compendium of criticism by the House GOP, which generally has not been aggressive in its oversight of the administration.

The report portrays Chertoff, who took the helm of the department six months before the storm, as detached from events. It contends he switched on the government's emergency response systems "late, ineffectively or not at all," delaying the flow of federal troops and materiel by as much as three days.

The White House did not fully engage the president or "substantiate, analyze and act on the information at its disposal," failing to confirm the collapse of New Orleans's levee system on Aug. 29, the day of Katrina's landfall, which led to catastrophic flooding of the city of 500,000 people.

On the ground, Federal Emergency Management Agency director Michael D. Brown, who has since resigned, FEMA field commanders and the U.S. military's commanding general set up rival chains of command. The Coast Guard, which alone rescued nearly half of 75,000 people stranded in New Orleans, flew nine helicopters and two airplanes over the city that first day, but eyewitness reconnaissance did not reach official Washington before midnight.

At the same time, weaknesses identified by Sept. 11 investigators -- poor communications among first responders, a shortage of qualified emergency personnel and lack of training and funding -- doomed a response confronted by overwhelming demands for help.

"If 9/11 was a failure of imagination then Katrina was a failure of initiative. It was a failure of leadership," the report's preface states. "In this instance, blinding lack of situational awareness and disjointed decision making needlessly compounded and prolonged Katrina's horror."







Needless to say, I believe Bush, Chertoff, Brown, Nagan, and Blanco all should have been flogged for their failure of leadership.
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Offline Hornet33

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2008, 10:54:00 AM »
I agree with everything you just said. EVERYONE screwed the pooch on that one, but it gets irritating when EVERYONE wants to put the blame on one man who can only act on the information he is given. The President (and I don't care who the President is) is not all knowing, all seeing, and does not have the magic crystal ball that will tell him in advance what "He should have known". As was stated in the report, communications were poor and information was late in arriving to the people who needed it. So what do they do in the mean time? They wait for information. In that case waiting cost allot of lives, but they couldn't have known it was going to be that bad in advance. NO ONE thought it would be as bad as it was and when the info finally started to come out EVERYONE had to REACT to what had already happened. At that point what he "should have done, could have done, why didn't they knw this or that" is all hind site and DOESN'T matter anymore. What if's, why nots, and should haves are nothing more than armchair quarter backing after the play is OVER by people who have NEVER even played the game.

What's sad is that in this country most of the time we're more worried about "who to blame" instead of let's learn from this so it doesn't happen again. From the looks of it though, plenty of people did learn and are taking more appropriate steps this time to minimize the impact IF it hits, and that's actually kinda of encouraging. The local, state, and federal governments are demonstrating that they have learned a harsh lesson, and are going to be better prepared.
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Offline Elfie

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2008, 10:58:35 AM »
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What's sad is that in this country most of the time we're more worried about "who to blame" instead of let's learn from this so it doesn't happen again.

Indeed it is sad and we see it all the time on this board and in the media....point the finger, find out who to blame instead of, as you pointed out, how do we learn from this? How do we do better next time?
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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2008, 11:32:14 AM »
Are they going to rename the Hurricane "Shanequa" or not?

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Re: Hello Gustav!!!!
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2008, 11:46:24 AM »
"Katrina didn't cause an emergency anywhere on the west coast, nor did it cause an emergency anywhere north of Louisiana or east of Mississippi."

A couple of facts:

Katrina caused damage from South-Central Louisiana to Panama City (That's in Florida).
Rita which came on her heels and just compounded the misery affected Southwest La. and The Texas Coast as far as Galveston.

As a result of the M.R.G.O. shutdown gas prices spiked as high as $6/Gal. in Ga.

The port of New Orleans (arguably the most significant deep water port in North America) shut down.
The port of Mobile shut down.

Not to mention the effect it had on those with family, friends or capitol investments in the affected area.

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A couple of assertions:

The diaspora of hurricane zone refugees caused increased crime, and a general malaise overall in the various cities around the country where they were settled.

The storms set domestic oil production and exploration back a couple of years.

Fema's presence caused more harm than good. Along with the drain in resources suffered by the myriad aid agencies that could have been applied elsewhere.

Ray Nagin survived.

Looks like a national catastrophe to me.