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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2008, 01:57:35 PM »

I was on a guys six.... no bullets fired from him. Bullets fired and landed by me, I ran into his plane I went down he didn't . So do I take my computer to the tool shed for not tell AH's server that I am the guy shooting not him?

In this case, your bullets had hit, but you did not enough damage to him to shoot him down.
Then you collided with him and you took catastrophic damage from it.
He didn't, because on HIS screen there never was a collision.

If you didn't have yet, please download that very small zip file I posted earlier in this thread. It shows such a collision, with films from both players. You can clearly see that the collision happened only on one player's screen. http://www.mediafire.com/?vgxoiygthky
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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2008, 01:58:06 PM »

I was on a guys six.... no bullets fired from him. Bullets fired and landed by me, I ran into his plane I went down he didn't . So do I take my computer to the tool shed for not tell AH's server that I am the guy shooting not him?
What's the problem? You ran into the image of his plane on your screen, accordingly took damage, while he didnt collide with the image of your plane on his screen, and correspondingly flew off unharmed. It sounds like shooting wasnt the deciding factor.

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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #107 on: December 05, 2008, 03:45:30 PM »
What's the problem? You ran into the image of his plane on your screen, accordingly took damage, while he didnt collide with the image of your plane on his screen, and correspondingly flew off unharmed. It sounds like shooting wasnt the deciding factor.

See what Lusche said above.


well in the real world both planes would go down, I think that's what most people want rather than one guy who comes outta it scot free. HT has tried to do the best to make everything realistic however the collisions are not.

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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #108 on: December 05, 2008, 03:50:44 PM »

well in the real world both planes would go down, I think that's what most people want rather than one guy who comes outta it scot free. HT has tried to do the best to make everything realistic however the collisions are not.

The so called "real world" hasn't to deal with latency, and thus has not the "multiple realities" problem.

Actually I can only admire the way collisions are handled in AH. It's the best compromise possible. It's actually much more realistic than any other proposed solution - It's the only "what you see is what you get"

 "Both go down" is no viable solution unless you get faster-than-light internet.



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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #109 on: December 05, 2008, 03:58:58 PM »

well in the real world both planes would go down, I think that's what most people want rather than one guy who comes outta it scot free. HT has tried to do the best to make everything realistic however the collisions are not.
Right, so you want to go down from a plane that is 100 feet away from you.

Brilliant . :rolleyes:
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« Reply #110 on: December 05, 2008, 04:06:19 PM »
Right, so you want to go down from a plane that is 100 feet away from you.

Brilliant . :rolleyes:

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« Reply #111 on: December 05, 2008, 04:10:21 PM »
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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #112 on: December 05, 2008, 04:22:03 PM »

well in the real world both planes would go down, I think that's what most people want rather than one guy who comes outta it scot free.
That's what we have already.  What you see is what you get.
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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #113 on: December 05, 2008, 04:27:29 PM »
go back to your hyerhole. I dont really give a @$%^ what they do anymore or why I even waste my time in these pointless discussions. JUST KEEP IT THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #114 on: December 05, 2008, 04:30:48 PM »
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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #115 on: December 06, 2008, 10:41:46 AM »
there's still two realities (one on your screen, another on the other guy's screen),

This is where the discrepancy in reality or lack there of resides. 
Unfortunately, As this has been noted that "What you see is what you get", would also mean "If you don't see it you don't get it".
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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #116 on: December 06, 2008, 12:11:26 PM »
This is where the discrepancy in reality or lack there of resides. 
Unfortunately, As this has been noted that "What you see is what you get", would also mean "If you don't see it you don't get it".

Sorry, but there is no way in hell you are going to be happy, if you successfully avoid a collision, by 50 feet and then blow up because the other guy decides not to avoid the collision and takes you out. 

What you want is to give the other player control over what happens to your plane.  Right now, you have control over whether or not your plane collides.

As much as you are complaining about the current collision system, I can only imagine the tirades if we gave control of your plane being blown up to the other player.  That is essentially what you are asking for.

Unless you are asking for every computer in the world, connected to the game, to have the exact representation of the game at the exact instant in time.  That would be cool!  Now,...tell us how to violate the speed of light and we will be all over it, while you are receiving your Noble in physics.


I am not trying to be a smart-aleck or disrespectful, but I cannot figure out what the heck it is you want.  First, you complain about players "ramming" you and them not dieing, then you want to give those same players the ability to destroy your plane by "ramming" you so you will die even when you avoid the collision.  Quite the conundrum.
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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #117 on: December 06, 2008, 12:23:39 PM »



I am not trying to be a smart-aleck or disrespectful, but I cannot figure out what the heck it is you want. 

Skuzzy, there is a particular crowd... that when out of ammo they think they can ram.
I'm not saying DG is one. There are those who would love to see Kamikaze like effects implemented.
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Re: Fix the Collisions.........
« Reply #118 on: December 06, 2008, 12:31:25 PM »
Im no computer wizz nor am i a code man i always wandered is there some way to code it to where if there is any type of collision from a head on crash to touching the wings that the game can cause both planes to go down that would stop alot of the purposefull collisions and make each pilot refrain from flying directly into the presumed path of the other plane. I understand that what one player sees on his screen is not necessarily what the oposeing player is seeing, So this may not work but its just what i was thinking.

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« Reply #119 on: December 06, 2008, 12:39:34 PM »
Im no computer wizz nor am i a code man i always wandered is there some way to code it to where if there is any type of collision from a head on crash to touching the wings that the game can cause both planes to go down that would stop alot of the purposefull collisions and make each pilot refrain from flying directly into the presumed path of the other plane. I understand that what one player sees on his screen is not necessarily what the oposeing player is seeing, So this may not work but its just what i was thinking.
You have the ability to avoid the collision now.... don't fly into the other guy.

Look at the pics/films posted. It is almost impossible for the other guy to purposefully fly into another. Where you see him is not where he is on his screen. Only 2 situations i can think of purposely colliding.
1. You accept a HO and do not jink. You are partly responsible for this.... after all you accepted it.
2. Dead aft with excessive speed. He collides and momentum carries the wreckage into you. Should have watched your 6 closer.
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