Perk the 37MM Il-2

[GGhost]

The A-10.    The force exerted from the AWG-8/A cannon offsets the forward thrust of the engines.   No other plane had this characteristic in all of my readings.   At least this is the only PROVEN case, I've ever heard mentioned.

This is a WWII flight sim.

B25H = 75mm nose cannon ....although AH doesn't model this effect.

[Nemisis]

I agree with moot, the 75mm in not the problem, it's the pilots, they use wrong approach angles, speeds, (I saw someone at around 10K, they dove to 4K and used the speed from that dive in their approach... with his target 1.5k in front of him!!! he missed so bad I almost crashed my fighter because I was LOL'ing so hard but then I told him to either start further back, or to slow down.) etc. And moot, I have seen B25's flown quite aggressively, infact it almost like some ace A20G pilots had switched planes, they actually killed quite a few planes and gv's even some jeeps, and when those are pulling hard turns they can be fairly hard to hit so I think it is safe to say that if you are a good enough pilot and have a good gunner then they don't quite rely on air superiority.

[sethipus]

OK... if the B25 is so good then why isnt it being used more?  Oh, and what is the ENY of the B25H??? That 75mm HE has a trajectory like a bowling ball falling off the shelf and it isnt any more able to destroy a tank than the IL-2 at typical ranges (800 yards and closer).

Yes it is.  Very much so.  Yes, it's not that hard to destroy Panzers and wirbels and whatnot in the IL-2.  In the B25H, it's not hard at all to destroy T34s, Shermans, and it's even possible to kill Tigers with them.  Tell me that the T34, Sherman, and Tiger are easily killable with the IL-2.  They simply aren't.  Sure, knock a turret off the T34, or whatever, but outright kill?  Not very often.

Anyhow, when I fire at tanks nowadays with the B25H, I usually wait till like 400 yards or less, and then try to put the round into the deck area behind the turret, or on top of the turret.  That's usually a one-shot kill.

[Lusche]

Yes it is.  Very much so.  Yes, it's not that hard to destroy Panzers and wirbels and whatnot in the IL-2.  In the B25H, it's not hard at all to destroy T34s, Shermans, and it's even possible to kill Tigers with them.  Tell me that the T34, Sherman, and Tiger are easily killable with the IL-2.  They simply aren't.  Sure, knock a turret off the T34, or whatever, but outright kill? 

Sorry, they are, especially the Tiger is easy meat for the 37mm Il-2.
Yes, the 75mm round from the B-25H does it even a tad better, but as both planes are more then capable to destroy any tank on the battlefield, their secondary charactristics start to play the major role. And there the 25 is losing to the Il-2 by a huge margin.

[Enker]

OK... if the B25 is so good then why isnt it being used more?  Oh, and what is the ENY of the B25H??? That 75mm HE has a trajectory like a bowling ball falling off the shelf and it isnt any more able to destroy a tank than the IL-2 at typical ranges (800 yards and closer). 

Oh?  HTC did mention why???  Do us all a favor and link that thread.  I've done the searches as others have... and there is nothing out there.  Nothing recent and certainly not since the IL-2 was re-done with the dual 37mm.  If there was something posted, then lets save everyone a lot of time and have it pinned up top, shall we???

Why destroy a tank when you can stop all of its movement by popping off a tread or two with one shot. Der.

[Spikes]

A few words from me:
Lower Il2's ENY. Fix the dad gum wirble...1.) lower gun traverse speed 2.) 20 round clips 3.) not firing all of it's 3000 rounds at once.

[comet61]

I don't agree to perk the IL-2; adjust the OBJ, ENY perhaps...but that's it.

Honestly..my perferred weapon of choice vs. the IL-2 is the Ostwind.  After flying and killing IL-2's, they have the ability to soak up a lot of 20mm rounds from a Wirb, whereas an IL-2 doesn't fair to well with a few well placed shots from an Osti. Trick is however, it to do that before thay bear down on you and kill you.

[moot]

A few words from me:
Lower Il2's ENY. Fix the dad gum wirble...1.) lower gun traverse speed 2.) 20 round clips 3.) not firing all of it's 3000 rounds at once.

What about the other guns?  Doesn't the 110C4 have similar setup, with the MGFF's drums reloaded by the gunner?  Where do you draw the line, what is the arbitrary to separate those vehicles that get strict realism and those that don't?  Ammo counters in a P47 might not mean much, but the Tiger's optics were a definite advantage in WWII.  Enough that it could land the first round near the target, which would be enough to give it a more historical dominance in AH. 

[Lye-El]

A few words from me:
Lower Il2's ENY. Fix the dad gum wirble...1.) lower gun traverse speed 2.) 20 round clips 3.) not firing all of it's 3000 rounds at once.

And give gun jams on fighters. Be more realistic.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

I hope someday i can lob a 75mm under a tank,and sent that sucka' rolling end over end.



Kill or not, that would be the dream.

[Wingnutt]

I hope someday i can lob a 75mm under a tank,and sent that sucka' rolling end over end.



Kill or not, that would be the dream.

more like a fantasy, as the explosive force of the 75mm shell is not even a fraction of what would be needed to flip a tank over.

[Plazus]

My thoughts on this:

-Lower the ENY to around 10-15.
-Perk only the 37mm gun package to about 3 perks or so.
-For everything else, leave the perk price free at a consistent ENY of 10-15

This shouldnt frighten too many people for this setup. But maybe we may see a little more discipline on the use of the IL2. Keep in mind, too, that the IL2 has relatively short legs. It is also very, very slow. These two reasons are good points to make against perking the IL2 or its gun package...

[waystin2]

I am not concerned about a Perk for the IL-2, but I do think the accuracy of the cannons needs to be downgraded when continously fired. 

"Proving ground trials carried out at NII AV VVS KA (this abbreviation means 'Science Lab of the Air Force of Red Army'), showed that firing of the NS-37 in the IL-2 was to be done in short controlled bursts-no more than 2-3 shells a burst. This was to be done in accordance with the fact that the cannons were not synchronized to fire together -resulting in massive jolting of the aircraft which disrupted the aircraft's line of fire. The correction of fire was possible in this case."

See link for information:
http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/239/123/lang,en/

[Ghosth]

If your going to perk the iL2 you need to perk the Wirble. Each keeps the other from being unbalancing. iL2's keep the Wirble in check with not much practice. And the Wirbel's keep the iL2 in check with not much practice.

On opposite sides they are each the others natural enemy, and on same sides each others best friend and teammate.

You can't change access to one without doing it to both, and I just don't see HTC doing it.

They may be annoying at times, but each has weaknesses that the other can exploit.

[Plazus]

If your going to perk the iL2 you need to perk the Wirble. Each keeps the other from being unbalancing. iL2's keep the Wirble in check with not much practice. And the Wirbel's keep the iL2 in check with not much practice.

On opposite sides they are each the others natural enemy, and on same sides each others best friend and teammate.

You can't change access to one without doing it to both, and I just don't see HTC doing it.

They may be annoying at times, but each has weaknesses that the other can exploit.

Nicely put! And I agree that HTC may not perk the IL2. Besides, the IL2 is simply too slow with short legs for it to be a "threat" to faster, more agile, aircraft.