No spit 14 !!!

[MANDOBLE]

RAM, D9 (MW50) acceleration should be better than A5 and even better than Spit XIV, and high speed, and, of course, high speed handling, IMO, is the most important thing for this arena. For example, 109G10 acceleration and top speed are superb, but in a high speed duel, P51 can fight them without problems. Spit XIV can negate 109G10, ok, but not the 190 series. And dont try to compare 109G10 with 190D9, 109G10 has just no chances (stalemate or dead). I thought you knew what 190 was able to do ...

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
RAM, D9 (MW50) acceleration should be better than A5 and even better than Spit XIV

So a 2000hp plane way lighter than Fw190D9 has worse acceleration than a 2100hp heavier plane?...that doesnt sound very well, MANDOBLE  

 

and high speed, and, of course, high speed handling, IMO, is the most important thing for this arena. For example, 109G10 acceleration and top speed are superb, but in a high speed duel, P51 can fight them without problems. Spit XIV can negate 109G10, ok, but not the 190 series. And dont try to compare 109G10 with 190D9, 109G10 has just no chances (stalemate or dead). I thought you knew what 190 was able to do ...

I know what is 190 able to do. I know, too what is a 109 able to do. And believe me, hispeed handling doesnt matter at all if you are good pilot enough. Of course some planes will be able to run from you, but still noone will catch you.

And the only handling problem with spits was the poor rollrate. Elevator control was just as good at 400IAS than at 200IAS.

D9 is fast. SpitXIV faster
D9 accelerates well. Spit XIV accelerates better
D9 has good weaposn. Spit XIV has better.
D9 climbs quite well. SpitXIV climbs like a rocket.
The only 2 advantages on a D9 are rollrate and range. And while rollrate means a lot in combat range means nothing.

SpitXIV would outclass anything in MA. do you want to see an arena full of spits?

I dont.

[Nath-BDP]

Do I realy need to post this again?...

 

[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 06-30-2000).]

[Hristo]

With the introduction of A-5, my opinion is that it can defend itself against Spit XIV. It can't press fight against it, only defend itself and even capitalize on Spit pilot's bigger mistakes. In fact, I'd rather chose A-5 over G-10 to fight Spit XIV. The planes are way different and it can be exploited in combat, while G-10 and Spit XIV are more similar. However, lack of speed will make it easier for Spits to gangbang A-5, while being able to escape if things get rough. Still, there will be many long faced RAF types after they tangle with properly flown A-5  

Dora, on the other hand, can fight Spit XIV on equal footing. Partly because of increased performance over A series, partly because 190 pilots are better than Spit types. How's that for a bait ?  

Spit XIV top speed, climb and acceleration means little in an arena enviroment. Dora's dive, deck speed, and high speed maneuvering are far more important IMO. Unlike A-5, dora can actually disengage.

262 ? Oh boy, BnZing the arena, listening to favourite music, talking to your wife, eating popcorn.

[MANDOBLE]

Totally agree with you Hristo, but IMO, A5 can press fight against Spit XIV. Remember, in this arena we dont need to fly alone, team work will do the rest.

[MANDOBLE]

Nath-BDP, your scan do not specify wich version of 190A is refering to (suppose 190A4). And when talking about the DB603, the comparison is based on estimations only, not in facts.


RAM, do your 190A5 use MW50? 190D9 do.

190D9
Empty weight 7694 lb
Junkers Jumo 213A-1 rated at 1,776 hp. (2,240 hp. with MW-50 boost)
T/W = 0.29 hp/lb
For more info about this engine: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/hzoe/ju_eng.htm

Spit XIV:
Empty weight 6,576
Griffon 65 rated at 2,035 hp (7000 feet).
T/W = 0.30 hp/lb

Spit XIV range is very short, so, if we add some fuel to have the same range than 190D9, the T/W ratio would be the same.

[funked]

Another thing to remember is that both the Spit 14 and the Dora have more powerful engines but no more internal fuel tankage than their predecessors.  With the bizarre fuel consumption rates in the AH Main Arena this will be a large factor.

[Nath-BDP]

Those estimations are in your favor, yet proven false by actual post-war numbers.

Also... MW 50 doesn't last forever ya know, and try reading the whole report, it states that the XIV climbs better than the IX, turns the same and rolls the same.

This means that your gonna have a Spit thats 40 mph faster than the IX, climbs better, turns the same, rolls the same, etc. The only drawback its going to have is high speed handling... no problem here, cut throttle and wait till  your opponent lvls out and get him then.

[funked]

The report says the turning circles are identical.  To me this means radius.  No measurements of turn rate are given.  Also they note a variation between left and right turns, but no such variation existed for the IX AFAIK.  It's a very inexact comparison.

Turning ability in this sim seems very sensitive to weight.  As I've said before, to see what a 500 hp increase in power and a 1000 lb increase in weight does to turning ability in this sim, compare the Me 109G-2 and Me 109G-10.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 06-30-2000).]

[Hristo]

OK, I am all for Spit XIV in AH. Bring it in.

That way Dora will be closer too.

[Nath-BDP]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW N

Whats the point, we all know its TOO UBER FOR THE GAME.

[mx22]

Nath,

If you put SpitXIV is uber category, just don't forget to include other late war planes in there.

mx22

[Nath-BDP]

I have no problem with it if its a 'perk' plane, whatever that turns out to be, as long as I get D-12.

[mx22]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
I have no problem with it if its a 'perk' plane, whatever that turns out to be, as long as I get D-12.

Whatever you LW whiners say If SpitXIV goes go to perk plane, so will FW190D9 and D12 for that matter. But then to bring Spitfire line to at least 43 line, I'll demand something like SpitVIII for regular set. I guess it still will be too much for you guys anyway - you'll be satisfied only when you can fly 1945 plane against 1941 Allied set.

P.S. As some of you LW boys love to say, AH is not a game, but simulation. So why can't I fly 1944-5 RAF plane against 1944-5 LW planes? Looking at the arena stats, seems like not so many LW boys ashamed to fly BF109G10 against RAF 1942 set. Ohh well, I've got my Jug now to play with until I get later model of Spitfire so watch above you cause you bet I'll be there. And I bet this time around it wont be so easy for you to run away from me

mx22

[jmccaul]

will the 51-D be a perk plane