It takes 2 to HO....

[grizz441]

So, according to you one could "HO his opponent" from behind? .... if the opponent evades by turning around before the shots are fired.
I do not agree with that.

So, according to you, if two pilots fire at each other 600 yards out, but one pilot misses 10 yards to the left while the other pilot takes the other guys wing off as they pass, it wasn't a "head on" because the other pilot's nose wasn't directly pointed at his enemy since he missed!   

Sorry Blauk, you couldn't be anymore wrong.

 

[BlauK]

I did not say anything about firing or hitting required, quite the contrary. The situation and the real attempt exist, that is enough.
The limits are a gray area, but I'd say it is enough to see each other through the front window.

You did not answer my question though. Could not back it up with any arguments or explanations?

Sorry Blauk, you couldn't be anymore wrong.

I know, and I was not wrong before either 

Steve,
..hmm nothing...

You guys can start to grow up by accepting that HOs happen and will always be part of this game, or you can keep on whining forever.

[grizz441]

You did not answer my question though. Could not back it up with any arguments or explanations?

What was the question?  If it was this:

So, according to you one could "HO his opponent" from behind? .... if the opponent evades by turning around before the shots are fired.

I didn't answer because the absurdity of the question didn't merit a response.

The limits are a gray area

You are contradicting yourself now and agreeing with me.  You said a HO is when both planes have gun solution nose on with one another.  How can there be gray area with that definition?

I'd say it is enough to see each other through the front window.

Front window as in the front screen?  That's a pretty large gray area.

You guys can start to grow up by accepting that HOs happen and will always be part of this game, or you can keep on whining forever.

Is this your generic soap box trainer send off remark in HO threads?  Nobody was whining.

[straffo]

So, according to you, if two pilots fire at each other 600 yards out, but one pilot misses 10 yards to the left while the other pilot takes the other guys wing off as they pass, it wasn't a "head on" because the other pilot's nose wasn't directly pointed at his enemy since he missed!   

Sorry Blauk, you couldn't be anymore wrong.

 

One is a sharpshooter the other is an accuracy impaired hoer

[SAJ73]

I don't think these threads about hoing ever gets to an final agreement on the subject, and thereby I find it somewhat useless to contribute in them.. But anyway, I can always make my worthless input along with the others also..  

Its always a sad feeling when you have flown for several boring minutes in search of an suitable con for a good merge followed by a long lasting 1v1, and what you get is blazing guns from 600 out as you try to merge with him..
Or you get what looks like a perfect merge all the way, only followed by that fameous snap shot just as you pass giving you a fatal damage or in worst case instant kill.
That's just fine, that's how some people like to spend their money on the game. I just find it kinda boring in the long run..

On the other hand, I am really glad there are alot of pilots that never take those ho shots and that's when I get my value for the money spent in this game! Because then it is possible to get some real good practice on some moves to get on the other players 6 instead. And that's where all the fun in the game is for my part anyway.. Its those really long lasting fights that's really make this game fun, learning new stuff about manouvering the plane on the border on what's possible. That's really a kick!  

And when you are all worn out after a single fight, your hands are shaking, eyes running after high concentration, every single muscle in your body feels sour and you have a pulse like you just finished a marathon then you know you've had a good fight! No matter if you died or survived!  
The point for me is to have a blast, and hopefully have learned some new moves to take along to the next fight.

You don't get that in a ho..  

Big <Salute> to all the non-hoers out there!  

[Kuhn]

I'll HO you while in a Spit 1.   As for me being smart, when you're in the tower, you can ask yourself that question.   Just because you have 8 50cals, cannon, etc, DOES NOT mean you have good accuracy.

If you like to do that in a spit1 go right ahead. I like to hold the trigger down till the the other guy is in range. I really don't think you mean that. You just don't know how good the other guys accuracy is until it's too late.   

[BlauK]

What was the question?  If it was this:
I didn't answer because the absurdity of the question didn't merit a response.

So, how much, in your opinion, does one have to evade, not to call it an HO? Or how early? That is what I was asking for, since you claim that it is still an HO when one of them turn away before the "HOer  " shoots. Nothing gray in that? You have a clear definition for when one can be called a single "HOer"?

Front window as in the front screen?  That's a pretty large gray area.

Plane's front window, wind shied, whateverucallit. If both see each other through it, I'd call it an HO

Is this your generic soap box trainer send off remark in HO threads?  Nobody was whining.

Every time someone writes how he was "HOed" or calls someone else a "HOer", what else is it than a whine? It is all about trying to preach how others have played wrong and how oneself has become a victim of that foul play. It is about making rules on how and when one is allowed to be shot at, about how others should play the game for one to enjoy it. It is the absolutely wrong way of trying to have fun.

There are very few posts about how an HO happened and how both sides were in control of the situation and accepted the consequences. That would not count as whining.

[dhyran]

So, how much, in your opinion, does one have to evade, not to call it an HO? Or how early? That is what I was asking for, since you claim that it is still an HO when one of them turn away before the "HOer  " shoots. Nothing gray in that? You have a clear definition for when one can be called a single "HOer"?
Plane's front window, wind shied, whateverucallit. If both see each other through it, I'd call it an HO
Every time someone writes how he was "HOed" or calls someone else a "HOer", what else is it than a whine? It is all about trying to preach how others have played wrong and how oneself has become a victim of that foul play. It is about making rules on how and when one is allowed to be shot at, about how others should play the game for one to enjoy it. It is the absolutely wrong way of trying to have fun.

There are very few posts about how an HO happened and how both sides were in control of the situation and accepted the consequences. That would not count as whining.

BlauK 100% right

the only foul play is not to accept your own defeat! you simply fool you own. Accept your own defeat, its the first step learning to get better, to have an idea when the opponent will be at the 100% solution, for some its the dead 6, other preffer a deflection solution because of the bigger surface. And other think the HO might bring the quick solution. whatever it takes, its valid as long you join the fight. dont tell other how they should play, learn how to turn the fight into the way you like to have it, and accept that other tries that too, if they have the better skills, the better situation awarness, or they outnumber you simply and you opponent shoots you down, just accept it, if you will show some respect, send him an salute instead of whine and whine.
you can't get better with whining, start work on yourself! Start to work on teamplay! There is no truth in dogfighting. you have allways 2 sides of a medal, so dont think you can call the otherone the HOer, you play a role too. Just from a different Point of View, thats all

<S>

dhyran

[CAP1]

this was a ho. i'm the 38.  i got lucky.,..i won that one.



it was the 3rd pass that this guy kept tryin to ho me, and i figured i'd return the favor.  

[waystin2]

this was a ho. i'm the 38.  i got lucky.,..i won that one.

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it was the 3rd pass that this guy kept tryin to ho me, and i figured i'd return the favor.  

This is what drives me nuts about this whole damn HO debate.  If you and I were fighting I would have considered that a deflection shot and not a HO.  Somehow, somewhere somebody decided to expand the envelope of what is considered a HO.  Still thinking this debate will go on for centuries...

[CAP1]

This is what drives me nuts about this whole damn HO debate.  If you and I were fighting I would have considered that a deflection shot and not a HO.  Somehow, somewhere somebody decided to expand the envelope of what is considered a HO.  Still thinking this debate will go on for centuries...

i think the angle i did tghe screenin from makes it look that way. i was taking hits from him, as i was hitting him. i survived....with a pw, both engines with oil hits, one with a coolant hit, leaking fuel tanks.......i barley made it to the runway. he went boom.

 i was looking through my pics for a front angle deflection shot, but i don't see one i've uploaded.

[waystin2]

i think the angle i did tghe screenin from makes it look that way. i was taking hits from him, as i was hitting him. i survived....with a pw, both engines with oil hits, one with a coolant hit, leaking fuel tanks.......i barley made it to the runway. he went boom.

 i was looking through my pics for a front angle deflection shot, but i don't see one i've uploaded.

CC.  Thank you for clarification.  So he did have somewhat of a gun solution on your nose.

[CAP1]

CC.  Thank you for clarification.  So he did have somewhat of a gun solution on your nose.

ooo....he had a good solution.

i was stupid for taking it, but i was in kind of a pissy mood that night, and that was all that dude kept doing. i tried the first 2 passes to come round, saddle him, and get him to turn, but he was haulin arse.......so on this pass i lined up and took my chances..........

[waystin2]

ooo....he had a good solution.

i was stupid for taking it, but i was in kind of a pissy mood that night, and that was all that dude kept doing. i tried the first 2 passes to come round, saddle him, and get him to turn, but he was haulin arse.......so on this pass i lined up and took my chances..........

It is not my preferred methodology either.  It does end up that way on occasion unfortunately.  I fly Spits primarily and we all know how easy they break.  Don't sneeze or my wing will fall off!

[Wreked]

I don't think these threads about hoing ever gets to an final agreement on the subject, and thereby I find it somewhat useless to contribute in them..

Yes I agree about the "forever debate" heheh

BUT when this thread started I bet someone that this would go between 12-14 pages - IF YA'LL QUIT the Forever Debate now I win a bottle of SCOTCH!! 

...cheers eh!