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Offline pritchy

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Quick 109 Question
« on: December 04, 2009, 10:42:07 AM »
Can someone summarise the difference between the different 109 models really briefly?
I am dedicating this tour to flying german machinery and besides the K4 I haven't got a clue as to why I would choose a G2 over a G6 for example.

One line each please. 
Key features, key characteristics and what role each model is suited to.

Soda's evaluation page looks a little out of date and I could do with seeing a summary (in laymans terms) on one page.

Appreciate the help.
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Offline MjTalon

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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2009, 10:50:45 AM »
109E4 - Early War 109. Can be considered the most maneuverable in terms of turn rate since it is the lightest of the 109 series we have. Roll rate is poor, guns are poor, view from the cockpit is impressive. Climb rate is what you would expect from any 109, good. As with all 109s the E4 suffers from stiff controls at high speeds and dives so keep her in the middle of the pact and you shouldn't have too much problems. Also she is the lowest so you'll be ran down by pretty much the entire plane set but what you can't outrun you can out turn and out maneuver for a gun shot.

Will add the other's in a bit. Kinda tired on my end of the field.

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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2009, 11:04:01 AM »
If you want dogfight 109: take 109f; faster/better climb dogfiter 109g2; medicore dogfigtrer and b&z 109g6; better than 109g6 for both role take 109g14; 109k4 for close shooting and superior speed/climb.
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2009, 11:50:17 AM »
German dudes in leather fly E4s.
Real manly men fly F4s.
No one flies G2s.
Kermit flies G6s.
People who can't shoot the tater fly G14s.
Dweebs fly K4s.

So, which one are you pritchy?
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2009, 12:08:27 PM »
(E4)-------F4-------G2/G6-------G14--------K4
<TnB.......................... .......................BnZ>

The 109s models in AH show the same kind if gradual evolution as the various spit models: Each step up on the ladder they sacrifice some flat turning ability for additional power (translating into more speed and higher climbrate).




The 109E is a difficult beast to fly and very different from it's later brothers. Poor guns, little ammo, not aprticular well climbing and most important: A horrible rate of roll.
The F-4 is a true furballer, that will surprise many a lazy Spit 16 pilot in a flat turning contest.
The G-6 is basically a heavier G-2 with bigger firepower. The G-2 turns & climbs slightly better and is faster, the G-6 has 13mm MG's instead of the 7.92 ones.
The G14 is perhaps the most "flexible" of all 109's with it many armament options (20 or 30mm hubcannon, gondolas, bomb).
You take the K-4 if speed is absolutely crucial, it's actually fastest prop plane between ~8k up to ~24k where the 47M takes over.

From G-2 on, the main strength of all 109's is the vertical fight - even the "older" ones can outclimb most opposing fighters in late war MA.
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2009, 12:08:54 PM »
I am dedicating this tour to flying german machinery and besides the K4 I haven't got a clue as to why I would choose a G2 over a G6 for example.

The G-2 is a little bit faster, but has weaker firepower.  So you'd choose it if you value the extra speed, but it's not worth much, because you'll still get run down by the XVI.  For that reason I prefer the G-6 and find it a very capable aircraft.
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2009, 12:11:21 PM »
E4 - for BoB and early war.
F4 - best turner, to surprise them Spits.
G2 - great climb, better than G6 in everything else but machine guns and rear view, carry gondolas only when friendlies around.
G6 - when you need the challenge, don't take gondolas or DT with it.
G14 - option to take 30mm, best buff hunter with gondolas.
K4 - it has speed, 30mm only and no gondolas. U better be a good shot.

My no1 choice is G14 with gondolas. 30mm to hunt buffs, 20mm when no buffs expected.
No2 choice is G2 for Finnish historical reasons and because it just rocks  :rock

G6 and G14 have poorer front view view because of ammo case bumps on the hood.
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 01:06:59 PM »
Thanks everybody!
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 01:48:33 PM »
Good StuFF !
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 01:52:06 PM »
(E4)-------F4-------G2/G6-------G14--------K4
<TnB.......................... .......................BnZ>

The 109s models in AH show the same kind if gradual evolution as the various spit models: Each step up on the ladder they sacrifice some flat turning ability for additional power (translating into more speed and higher climbrate).

That I can remember.  Thanks Lusche.
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2009, 02:36:17 PM »
I would suggest that the G14 is actually the better plane. The K4 is a monster of a plane but the pilot is putting all is faith in the engine and the gun. The engine to keep him out of trouble and the gun for one shot kills. Now if a great pilot gets in either plane its going to be a slaughter.
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2009, 03:04:14 PM »
in the later spec 109s, engine torque is your friend and will also be the death of you
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2009, 03:26:44 PM »
You got that right jdbecks  and  Chalenge . For the last few week's the K4 is all I have been flying and I have found myself putting my faith in the engine and gun's a little to much just to turn around and miss a shot and get myself killed ,lol.
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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2009, 10:23:36 PM »
The 109E is a difficult beast to fly and very different from it's later brothers. Poor guns, little ammo, not aprticular well climbing and most important: A horrible rate of roll.
The F-4 is a true furballer, that will surprise many a lazy Spit 16 pilot in a flat turning contest.
The G-6 is basically a heavier G-2 with bigger firepower. The G-2 turns & climbs slightly better and is faster, the G-6 has 13mm MG's instead of the 7.92 ones.
The G14 is perhaps the most "flexible" of all 109's with it many armament options (20 or 30mm hubcannon, gondolas, bomb).
You take the K-4 if speed is absolutely crucial, it's actually fastest prop plane between ~8k up to ~24k where the 47M takes over.

From G-2 on, the main strength of all 109's is the vertical fight - even the "older" ones can outclimb most opposing fighters in late war MA.


I agree with all of this.

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Re: Quick 109 Question
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2009, 01:57:57 AM »
know your enemy and all that jazz.  good work pritchy....

K4 is pure easymode win  (Spit 14) 
G14 great buff killer with gondies     (See we need a comparable spit here 4x 20mm Spit?   :t )
F4   Hans joachim skin for me, can furball with the best of them, turn noob spit drivers all day long.  (Spit 5) 
G2  this can be very interesting in the right hands has good all round qualities.    (Spit 9) 
G6  little extra punch with the 13mm's  slightly slower than G2     (Spit 8 )
E4   lot of fun to dogfight with   (Spit 1)

I've finally cracked the 30mm tater aiming but i'll share those details with you in private  ;)
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