Porker Generals Strut Their Stuff!

[JunkyII]

I say do what you like and stay off of everyone elses back.  Just have fun!  This is a suggestion for us all.

Way, toolshedders must understand the ways of the fight, they wont learn willingly so we must ram it in them

[dedalos]

ROFL! ROX.  First of all, don't confuse fighting with furballing.  I'll not get into this but I'll pick up on other things.

Second, the problem with bombing, porking, dive bombing etc is not that we suck at them.  The problem is that they are easy and they don't change.  If by that you mean the target is at the same place then your right.  If your talking fighting your way in heavy and destroying your target and THEN get home...your wrong. For example, I learned how to calibrate the bomb sight 6 years ago lol.  How does that change between buff runs?  Depends on the cons in and out of target...doesn't it? How hard is to dive bomb a building and how mach of a fight does it give you?  Again? ..getting repetitive.  Depends on who's trying to put you in the tower and what you do after targets destroyed. See, its not that we suck at it, but, well, the buildings suck at it.  They are no challenge.  Those building have a nasty habit of calling in help.  Fighting heavy is way harder than lite fighting.  Sure! you could ditch your ords and get into the killing but what was the point of taking bombs?  Oh yer...to play the strat game

As far as the Paton quote  ROFL! again.  I play to win.  and others don't?I promise to slap you around repeatedly in any plane under any conditions and if I fail, I ll go find out why and try to get better.  Gawd you'd think you was gods gift.  There are strat players that have equal skill in fighter mode but you forget where some of your fighter buddies acquired the talents That is were the fun is.  Winning the fights that are unpredictable, different, against different opponents and with many other variables.  As opposed to flying/fighting in heavy, giving away any advantage to destroying the target and getting home again.  Tut tut...you need bifocals Since this is not a real war, winning is only fun if somehow it was earned.  oh ..you mean like coordinate a capture or a pork run.  Fighting, bombing, dive bombing under enemy fire and still trying live.  Like resetting a map through team work or do you mean shooting newbies down that ain't got 6 years under their belt In a real war however, if I was going to go down, I'd rather do it while I took a few bad guys with me instead of crashing into a building while checking if the church was up  ROFL!

BTW, I have never met anyone in the game that could put up a fight, that promots porking and winning the war. yes you have... want a lens cleaner to go with the new glasses?   At the same time, I have never met a general that actually had any kind of hope after missing the initial HO.  well if a general went for a HO I'd have to agree he blew it So, one could say that the real quitters, the ones that lost and are smiling, are the ones that decided they could not learn how to fight, and since they cannot win against other humans, they will try an win against buildings.  Just a theory of course   ROFL!  Considering your view is myopic I'd have to say your theory is full of holes.  And as a former (strat) player plenty of those holes were put in you by me.

How about that for a critical sarcastic lol or rolf.  Many who learn to fight have learnt to do so from playing the strat side of the game?  Unless of cause I'm the only one. 

Really LYNX that does sound good and all.  However, the reality is different.  I have done all that when I started.  Bombing a building goes as follows.  Start up two sectors back.  Climb to 20K unless there are reports of fighters at that alt.  Then go higher.  If opposition is encountered nose down to pick up speed so the cant catch you.  Line up with building and release bombs.  If you are lucky and dont hit the ground you now are traveling at warp speed and you can try to run home (however, if not everything dead, auger on purpose and repeat).  If you are not at warp speed and a fighter starts closing on you, scream for help, and eventual die trying to escape instead of fighting for your life.  What you describe sounds good but it is not how the building warriors play the game.

Going back a few days in the game, I can tell you that no one I say this week that came over to my field to bomb something ever made it back home, and I don't think he was planing to.  One or two passes to kill a couple of structures until the ack or a defender gets them.  So, maybe you and a coupe of others did learn by doing what you describe but the majority doesn't.  We can test how mach you have learned if you like    I think I have been around long enough to have seen a lot.  BTW, I was in a panzer last night.  I tell ya, those buildings never had a chance lol

[LYNX]

Really LYNX that does sound good and all.  However, the reality is different.  I have done all that when I started.  Bombing a building goes as follows.  Start up two sectors back.  Climb to 20K unless there are reports of fighters at that alt.  Then go higher.  If opposition is encountered nose down to pick up speed so the cant catch you.  Line up with building and release bombs.  If you are lucky and dont hit the ground you now are traveling at warp speed and you can try to run home (however, if not everything dead, auger on purpose and repeat).  If you are not at warp speed and a fighter starts closing on you, scream for help, and eventual die trying to escape instead of fighting for your life.  What you describe sounds good but it is not how the building warriors play the game.

Going back a few days in the game, I can tell you that no one I say this week that came over to my field to bomb something ever made it back home, and I don't think he was planing to.  One or two passes to kill a couple of structures until the ack or a defender gets them.  So, maybe you and a coupe of others did learn by doing what you describe but the majority doesn't.  We can test how mach you have learned if you like    I think I have been around long enough to have seen a lot.  BTW, I was in a panzer last night.  I tell ya, those buildings never had a chance lol

Your first paragraph makes it sound like the stand mode for all strat players.  It's wrong of cause but I have to agree with some of what you wrote.  Can't deny that this stuff doesn't happen.  Way back when I have been known to pork till I died and even setting off 2 sectors back if me front line ords been porked.  I have also witnessed the pork n auger rinse repeat guys which are pre dominant around school brakes. 

Ditching your alt or coming in under higher cons to take out a target leaves you in a vulnerable postions.  If the player has a mind to survive that's where the learning starts.  Here's the rub.  Doesn't matter if your a furballer or a strat player.  If the player doesn't have the will to survive their not going to be good at any aspect of the game.  Players need the experience to learn, to progress.  If that experience comes from bombing a few buildings and fighting his way home through 10 cons, it's no different from a furballer flying into 10 cons.  The experience will lead to more skills except the strat player gets to blow stuff up as he does it.   

Yer...we can sit here and try and take the piss outta the guys that don't play the game either of us play BUT neither of us know who the next Bipolar, Slapshot, Dedalos is going to be.  If they get their skills, like so many have, from strat playing then fair play to em.

[Kweassa]

 Frankly, for us stratgays, all these furball lovin' stratgay-bashers whining about "...armchair generals blahblah ruining fun blaghblagh toolsheddin' griefin' no fun why so serious no skill blahblahblah..." ad nauseaum, is what usually motivates us.

 We get to make them piss and moan and whine, and at the same time, we get to raid and pillage their towns, take their fields, pork their strats all along the way, and get to hear them whine about it even more.

 Ahhh... music to our ears. That is what's "fun" for us.

 If furball lovers don't like it, then they are welcome to up a plane and stop us.

 

 

[Shuffler]

Frankly, for us stratgays, all these furball lovin' stratgay-bashers whining about "...armchair generals blahblah ruining fun blaghblagh toolsheddin' griefin' no fun why so serious no skill blahblahblah..." ad nauseaum, is what usually motivates us.

 We get to make them piss and moan and whine, and at the same time, we get to raid and pillage their towns, take their fields, pork their strats all along the way, and get to hear them whine about it even more.

 Ahhh... music to our ears. That is what's "fun" for us.

 If furball lovers don't like it, then they are welcome to up a plane and stop us.

 

 

You've never ever taken one of my fields.

. . . and you never will. 

[Flayed]

Lynx I <S> you sir.  for once I feel someone else gets it.
  as for dedalos, you obviously haven't come across me or my brother, Thndregg.    Egg has constantly put up good bombing missions to bomb NME fields or strat and at times has even advertised this to the NME.  His bombing missions are so popular that every time he logs on there is someone asking him to start one and they are never a secret to the NME, unless the rooks or knights are to stupid to see the huge dar from 3 sectors back in bishland.

  I on the other hand Love the medium bombers, I do like to kill factories but I try to pork fields in a tactical effort while thndr takes on the strategic side of things.  
  Tonight for example Thndr, Hawk and I upped 26's  to pork troops at a base with one of his squad escorting.  When we got to target there were multiple con's over us (we were at 13k) but we went on with mission.   Thndr lost 2 bombers but landed 2 kills and Hawk bombed targets and lost all of his flight but I managed to kill a typh, bomb my targets and kill the spit that killed hawk and fend off a P51 most of the way back to base. All the while with one engine out on my lead and one out on my right hand drone.   I landed all of them.

  That was a fun tactical bomb run.  Granted there are some that prefer the cheap easy way of bombing but don't lump us all into one group please.


  Oh and Shuff,  is that a challenge?

[killnu]

 Ahhh... music to our ears. That is what's "fun" for us.

So you have fun by trying to deny others of it?  And when you realize that you are not denying them of their fun, you berate them on country channel about not winning the war?  which was the OP point to begin with?

[Masherbrum]

So you have fun by trying to deny others of it?  And when you realize that you are not denying them of their fun, you berate them on country channel about not winning the war?  which was the OP point to begin with?

The only point is that there is no point.       The OP hit the nail on the head.   I take orders from no one in this game, if some do, it's their choice.   

[thndregg]

The only point is that there is no point.

Very true.

[dedalos]

Lynx I <S> you sir.  for once I feel someone else gets it.
  as for dedalos, you obviously haven't come across me or my brother, Thndregg.    Egg has constantly put up good bombing missions to bomb NME fields or strat and at times has even advertised this to the NME.  His bombing missions are so popular that every time he logs on there is someone asking him to start one and they are never a secret to the NME, unless the rooks or knights are to stupid to see the huge dar from 3 sectors back in bishland.

  I on the other hand Love the medium bombers, I do like to kill factories but I try to pork fields in a tactical effort while thndr takes on the strategic side of things.  
  Tonight for example Thndr, Hawk and I upped 26's  to pork troops at a base with one of his squad escorting.  When we got to target there were multiple con's over us (we were at 13k) but we went on with mission.   Thndr lost 2 bombers but landed 2 kills and Hawk bombed targets and lost all of his flight but I managed to kill a typh, bomb my targets and kill the spit that killed hawk and fend off a P51 most of the way back to base. All the while with one engine out on my lead and one out on my right hand drone.   I landed all of them.

  That was a fun tactical bomb run.  Granted there are some that prefer the cheap easy way of bombing but don't lump us all into one group please.


  Oh and Shuff,  is that a challenge?

I think you are missing my point.  Yeas I have ran into him and he probably killed me every time I got close to his bombers.  There is always a small percentage that is the exception. 

I l post the films from my time int the the MW last night.  I think it will make my point clear.

[RTHolmes]

(Scene:  tent in the Egyptian Desert, dark of night, a table with chairs seating Generals from both sides)

Rommel: We are here today at this truce conference to try to agree on how the war should be fought.

Goering:  The Air Forces of both sides should determine the outcome of the war--no bombs no rockets, only air to air combat.

Cunningham:  Here-here!  All bases are off limits and it should be up to the air forces to see who wins.  No lands, bases or territories on either side should be taken!

Rommel:  Then why, In Cod's name are there enemy tanks and ground vehicles on both sides, as well as each's ability to take away one's enemy's ability to make war?

Patton:  Well observed Irwin, all my tanks and troops are here just itching for battle, why leave it up to a bunch of scarf wearing pansies?  I say WAR is based on killing the enemy at every opportunity and bombing everything they have into the stone age.

Montgomery:  I personnaly hate to agree with a Neanderthal like Patton, but warfare has always been about taking the enemy's bases, territory, and taking away their ability to make war until they capitulated!

Goering:  You simply don't understand what war is all about...it's all about air superiority, honor, and proving your uber-ness over their dweeb-tard-ness.  Plain and simple, it's completely an all air war.

Rommel:  Well, I guess all the bomber, attack, and ground forces need to just pack up and go home.

Patton:  I'll give the order if Ike will...those air force fighter pilots can take more ground and accomplish more than my tank and infantry divisions.  Ya play golf, Irwin?

Cunningham:  Well it's settled then.  No taking of territory or assaulting each others bases and it will all be decided in the air--fighter pilot to fighter pilot.  Anything else is complete dweeb-tardness.

Goering:   Agreed!  I will notify the Fuerher.

made me

[Shuffler]

  Oh and Shuff,  is that a challenge?

Yes.... one that you'll never win.

[BlauK]

If there were no porkers, there would be no targets for buff hunters. I love porkers, Go porkers!
Every aspect of this game is needed! Face it, live with it and change your own attitude.

Some whiners here think they know better how AH should be and how everyone else should play it. Why don't you guys go tell it straight to HTC how they are doing it all wrong

[DMBEAR]

Frankly, for us stratgays, all these furball lovin' stratgay-bashers whining about "...armchair generals blahblah ruining fun blaghblagh toolsheddin' griefin' no fun why so serious no skill blahblahblah..." ad nauseaum, is what usually motivates us.

Knock knock knock.  

The OP is talking about people doing this on his own country channel night after night.  In fact, it's about them "pissin and moaning" about others not playing their way.

Another thing.  Bashing little Napoleons is not bashing their gameplay.  It's bashing their God complex.

I'd never bash 999000.  999000 never acts like a little Napoleon.  

[thndregg]

Some whiners here think they know better how AH should be and how everyone else should play it. Why don't you guys go tell it straight to HTC how they are doing it all wrong

Right on!