Author Topic: Ok, lets talk about the F4U-1C Corsair. (Read 12007 times)

Skorpyon · « **Reply #90 on:** March 23, 2000, 03:15:00 PM »

Indian... just read your post about rate of fire on the 1-C, etc... pretty much answered my question I guess, and if it is accurate, answers pretty much ALL the questions, but I guess only for those who are willing to listen. Thanks for the info. One thing rate of fire would effect in AH too, is that with a higher rate of fire shooting you, one ping probably doesn't equal one round hit,.... in other words, do the ping sound effects keep up with actual number of hits being sustained? I doubt it, and if not, I am sure it is probably an unavoidable factor in the game. Oh well......

Vermillion · « **Reply #91 on:** March 23, 2000, 04:01:00 PM »

Ok my last post to this thread, its grown to monstrous proportions already.

Crabofix here is the exact production of the N1K series, including prototypes.

N1K1-J: 1007
N1K2-J: 423
N1K3-J: 2

Total: 1432

N1K2 (our plane) comprised 29% of total production.

As can be seen neither one of us was exactly right

So I will split it down the middle with you and call it a draw.

Ok thread dead for me.

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Pappy · « **Reply #92 on:** March 23, 2000, 06:48:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funked:
Pappy, 470 mph in an F4U-1C? B.S.

Wooden wings on a Spit? B.S.

Can't exceed 450 mph in a dive? B.S.

Hell a Spit was dived to Mach 0.92!

Come on Pappy, you watched too much Baa Baa Black Sheep in the 70's.

Study up and come back son.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 03-23-2000).]

The early production spits ran Merlins without supercharging at around 360mph or so, until the spitIV and on got the chargers,but still had trouble crossing 400mph.
The markXX and XXI had the Griffon 62 with counter rotating props and ran up to 450mph.
The spits went from 1020-2050 horsepower over its service life, from 5,800pounds to over 11,000pounds,and its speed ranged from 364-452mph.
Ok it was the other planes of her majesty's royal air corp service with wooden wings, the spit-1 was metal frame fabric covered.
the Mark II's and on were metal framed, bolted frame to spar with 7 bolts and metal skinned but retained the fabric control surface that failed at speeds in a dive exceeding 470mph the Hogs level speed give or take a variant but certainly not its dive speed.
Later variants had the conrtrol surface moved out towards the wingtips and back towards the tail to escape thier longtime well known compressability failure.
from the book "Spitfire Flying Legend"
read up, and I did watch Blacksheep Squadron
every sunday night, what'd you watch, Laverne & Shirley.
The hog was faster had better high speed handling and wouldn't loose its wings doing it. son

Nashwan · « **Reply #93 on:** March 23, 2000, 08:20:00 PM »

The Griffon engine with contra-props was the 82 or 85, not the 61 which was in the Spit XIV. The 21 also had the 61,iirc. It waasn't until the 24 that the contra-props became common, and that had an output of 2350hp.
The spitfire had metal skinned ailerons from the Mk V on. The top speed of the spit 14 was 448mph, faster than the contemporary Corsairs.
The point I was making about the 470mph dive limit is that it is IAS, not TAS (I have just realised I got this the wrong way round before). As any aircraft is a lot slower at sea level, 470TAS is not that much of a limitation. Far from losing it's wings, the Spitfire achieved higher speeds in a dive than any other aircraft in WW2.

Nashwan · « **Reply #94 on:** March 23, 2000, 08:25:00 PM »

According to an old magazine I have just found, the Corsair had fabric control surfaces, and the entire wing aft of the main spar was fabric covered. Is this correct?

Pappy · « **Reply #95 on:** March 23, 2000, 08:43:00 PM »

Ya I guess I'm wrong the spitfire flew faster than the 2800 horse power corsair with little more than half the horse power.
The war variance issue if you read up was regarding the C model, and did fly in WWII unlike the Griffon powered spit or whatever variants came in the 50's and 60's. The point was should a C be in Aces High, not do spit pilots wana argue every digit, we got spit pilots in my squadron for that. I think the C just needs a PAC arena to fly in instead of with europe fighters whose own performance specs admonish the fact they were inferior in performance to Chance Vought's brain storm bla bla bla

Minotaur · « **Reply #96 on:** March 23, 2000, 10:02:00 PM »

This thread really go muddled, I had to look at Karnak's first post to see what it was all about.

For the record, you would have a higher chance of not being killed in a F4U-1C than in a P-38. You would have a higher chance of getting a kill in a F4U-1C than in a P-51.

For those that do not believe in stats talk to a politian, because they do.

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Nashwan · « **Reply #97 on:** March 23, 2000, 10:13:00 PM »

Pappy, Griffon engined spits flew in 42 (the XII) and January 44(the XIV that Spit Dweebs are calling for)
The XIV had 2050hp, more than the F4U-1 with 2000hp. The F4U-4 had 2450hp, but as weight and drag were so much greater than the spit it is easy to see why the spit was faster.
If your calculations show half of 2450hp is 2050, then I suggest you buy yourself a good calculator. Whilst you are at it you might like to get yourself some more accurate books as well.

funked · « **Reply #98 on:** March 24, 2000, 03:46:00 AM »

Pappy:

"I did watch Blacksheep Squadron
every sunday night, what'd you watch, Laverne & Shirley."

As a matter of fact yes I did!

"The hog was faster had better high speed handling and wouldn't loose its wings doing it. son"

OK the control part is true. Except there aren't many stories of Spitfires losing wings either. And there were some Spitfire versions that were faster than some F4U versions.

2800 horsepower Corsair? Not during WW2. You are thinking of F4U-5's in Korea or something.

Spitfire Mk. I with no supercharger? Every Merlin ever built had a supercharger sir.

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Daff · « **Reply #99 on:** March 24, 2000, 09:31:00 AM »

It was the P-47M with the P&W-R2800-63 that had 2800 HP (476mph, vrrrommmm). I think the F2G might have had the same amount.

Daff

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funked · « **Reply #100 on:** March 24, 2000, 11:37:00 PM »

F2G used the R-4360-4 and had 3000 hp. Only 8 built.

Nashwan · « **Reply #101 on:** March 25, 2000, 12:24:00 AM »

Coming in 1.03 then.

jmccaul · « **Reply #102 on:** March 25, 2000, 06:29:00 PM »

Pappy you may notice many people on this board have signatures on the end of their posts (myself not included). Many of these have quotes in. May i suggest if you ever have a quote in your signature you use :-

"ignorance is bliss"

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #103 on:** March 25, 2000, 06:46:00 PM »

<- Gets out his can of "Thread be gone" and begins to spray vigorously.

Nashwan · « **Reply #104 on:** March 25, 2000, 08:19:00 PM »

I found an interesting quote whilst going through the old posts on this forum to see what I had missed.
So, regardless of how powerfull the canons are... or how many/few were made.. this plane is not going to rule the arena. It won't even be a distant 3rd. Allow the F4u faithfull to have their one wish and fly with cannons. They've endured long enough and are somewhat deserving for all they've had to put up with.

AKDejaVu