Pick discussion

[kilo2]

No matter what is said or what is done. Folks in the game will be just like folks in real life.

Some care, some don't. Many have a different idea of right and wrong. Why the prisons are full of innocent folks..... just ask most any prisoner.

I open a door for a lady... many don't. I'll even make sure I'm not letting the door loose in some guys face..... many don't.

Some think the world owes them something..... some work for what they want.

It's just the way of the world...... make of yourself what you will.

Who decides whats right or wrong Shuffler is it you? Is it Dedalos? Where is the aces high etiquette manual? Who wrote this manual? Why should we follow this line of thinking? What is gained from following a certain set of "rules" in a video game? Oh pray tell shuffler. Lead us boorish un-washed masses from the way of darkness to the way of light. Be our Sherpa of the Everest that is Aces High.

[grizz441]

No matter what is said or what is done. Folks in the game will be just like folks in real life.

Some care, some don't. Many have a different idea of right and wrong. Why the prisons are full of innocent folks..... just ask most any prisoner.

I open a door for a lady... many don't. I'll even make sure I'm not letting the door loose in some guys face..... many don't.

Some think the world owes them something..... some work for what they want.

It's just the way of the world...... make of yourself what you will.

             
I see the parallels now!  Anyone who picks, tries to stay alive,  and plays the game in what you consider to be unfair and dweeby, is probably a hooligan in real life.  Oh my god my side hurts, thanks for that laugh Shuffles.  

The greatest irony of it all is that you are commonly observed flying in exactly the same dweeby style that you bleed your heart against here on the bbs.

[pluck]

Yup.  And do you conduct yourself as though the guy in front of you will not let the door close in your face at all times?  If you do, just how often do you break your nose on closing doors?

Expecting everyone to play by your own self-imposed rules is delusional at best.

Wiley.

well, i'm really just jumping in here for fun.  I think most people expect a certain amount civility in life. If someone lets a door slam in my face, I'd think he was a "insert your word here, potato?"  Someone else might jump on a megaphone and call him a flatulate sniffer for all to hear.  In the end it really doesn't matter.  Even though everyone in the area might think he's a jerk, he might think he is very civil...but he doesn't get to tell everyone what he is, everyone decides what he is....though opinions will vary.  Also, I would think if no one ever told anyone else what they think is social acceptable, how would anyone be aware there might be an issue?  Who came up with etiquett anyway, I would like to find him to strike the whole elbow on the table thing.  Of course there is always the grey area....at what distance do you stop holding the door?  What if you really have to pee?  What if you let the door slam, but say sorry just after?  What if you are slamming the door on someone who just slammed it on you.  Oh god, my head.  Guess we are back a square one. 

[SunBat]

Yep. Hasn't been a fortnight since I got vulched by Shuffler himself. Hmmm...

[Wiley]

Go ahead, SunBat.  What's your question?

[SunBat]

Are you a coyote?

[FLOTSOM]

Expecting everyone to play by your own self-imposed rules is delusional at best.

Wiley.

i agree with this statement absolutely, but i also dont expect everyone else i encounter in my life to act in a manner that i do either. i am of the understanbding that people are who they are and will do what ever it is that suits them at the moment. but i do not use that as an excuse to be the one to do it first just because the other guy might

i am generally not foolish so i will do my best to put myself in a position that will protect me from the actions of others in life, but i do this without breaking my own personal moral code or standards. now this is only a game, and i do not equate a game to real life, but one thing i have learned through my years is that if you act like an a-hole in a game then you are likely an a-hole in real life. standards of fair play and good sportmanship tend to cross the virtual barrier from real life to toon land and back again.

i cannot argue against every "what if" scenario you may invent, all i can say is POOPHAPPENS! roll with it and try to have fun without acting in an unsportsmanlike manner. now yes you will always have those that no matter what you do will cry foul, but really who cares. people whine, its what they do best. if i know that i did my best to act according to my own standards then i really dont care what anyone else says.

now for honesties sake i will say that i have the advantage of sucking at this game enough that score really doesnt mean poop to me. how many times i die is irrelevant to me, hell i find it funny to continue to up from capped bases to keep the vulchtards low and hungry until assistance arrives from another base with alt and advantage. so if i make a mistake in judgment and choose to fly past a 1v1 and then get sucker shot by the bad guy i just past up a shot on, well then that was my mistake. the bright side is that there is fresh coffee in the tower and i get to get a brand new shinny clean areo-plane. in addition i get to fly back to the engagement enjoying the warm heart i get when i know that i lived up to my own standards.  

live up to your own standards, but dont expect roses from everyone when you get involved where you were not asked too.

[MonkGF]

I'm with Wiley and the others all the way here. Sure, if a friendly is saddled up I want to let him get the kill, but if you up in the MA you should not expect nice chivalrous 1v1 duels, there is at least one other arena for that, and enough folks aren't looking for the 1v1 duel that the chivalrous among the rest can't count on it.

And if I read Shuffler right (and not the way everyone else seems to be), folks are going to whine no matter what you do, so just ignore the whines. Is that right Shuffler? If so, I agree, it's their problem, not mine.

As pointed out, people will scream pick/HO/vulch in blatantly incorrect circumstances, so why worry?

[Wiley]

Sunbat- Yes.

Flotsom- Understand, I'm partly devil's advocating here as well.  I don't generally clear peoples' 12, I don't generally horn in on what I perceive as a 1v1 if it's of no consequence to me how it comes out, etc etc.  I clear my squaddies unless they wave me off.  I enjoy multiple on multiple engagements.  That's where I get my fun, is working with a wingman or my squad in a crowd.  I generally fly to survive to a certain degree, but I'm also fairly aggressive.

I just don't think that expecting an open arena that is side versus side to basically stop what it's doing to specifically avoid horning in on a 1v1 is reasonable and in a way, I would almost say it's rude to expect everyone else to bend around it.

Wiley.

[FLOTSOM]

Sunbat- Yes.

Flotsom- Understand, I'm partly devil's advocating here as well.  I don't generally clear peoples' 12, I don't generally horn in on what I perceive as a 1v1 if it's of no consequence to me how it comes out, etc etc.  I clear my squaddies unless they wave me off.  I enjoy multiple on multiple engagements.  That's where I get my fun, is working with a wingman or my squad in a crowd.  I generally fly to survive to a certain degree, but I'm also fairly aggressive.

I just don't think that expecting an open arena that is side versus side to basically stop what it's doing to specifically avoid horning in on a 1v1 is reasonable and in a way, I would almost say it's rude to expect everyone else to bend around it.

Wiley.

KK, understood and in that light, agreed.

[321BAR]

Why? Because he has a wife and kids back at his cartoon home?  

Kill them all!  Wounded birds are easy targets, so are jeeps and hikers.

its my personal opinion. i think of it as strategic not honorable. by letting that con leave it means one less con you deal with sooner than later

[grizz441]

Grizz you really need to stop encouraging the natives, next thing you'll be doing is bragging about committing other acts of dweebery like killing jeeps in a 262 and whacking hikers and........oh, wait.....ummmmm never mind.

I have never bragged about killing jeeps or hikers, but I do kill a jeep pretty much anytime I see one and laugh my bellybutton off afterward.  I also shoot recreational skydivers who are in my airspace.  I have even been known to kill hikers/mountain climbers/rock climbers too that are hiking up my mountains!  Pretty much anything that is in my airspace I am going to kill.  I will even occasionally fly through the ack to kill someone landing because no one escapes dammit!  

its my personal opinion. i think of it as strategic not honorable. by letting that con leave it means one less con you deal with sooner than later

I would rather deal with that con again asap so I can kill him again.

[uptown]

The post from grizz reminded me about last nite. I was rtb with half a wing and a F4U dove in on me from way up. He seen I was hurt and turned around and left. I thought that was pretty cool.

<S> whoever u were.


It'd be a safe bet that it wasn't Grizz 

[FLOTSOM]

The post from grizz reminded me about last nite. I was rtb with half a wing and a F4U dove in on me from way up. He seen I was hurt and turned around and left. I thought that was pretty cool.

<S> whoever u were.


It'd be a safe bet that it wasn't Grizz 

no it was Grizz!!!!! but he had wasted all of his ammo straifing hikers out picnicing in their jeeps. he was hoping to buzz you and scare you enough to make you auger so he could get the proxy!!

yes class take it from a Muppet....GRIZZ IS THAT EVIL AND DIABOLICAL!!!!!!

[CAP1]

Okay, when does it go from a series of 1v1s to a furball?  3 planes on a side? 5 planes?  What if there's 1 friendly engaged in a 1v1 above an enemy base and 7 planes lift?  Dammit, I need to know where the line is!

What if one of the seven (or all seven of them) is now coming to engage the friendly in the 1v1?  Is it alright to engage him?  What if the bandit he's currently engaged with goes offensive on me?  Am I allowed to fire back, or would that be wrong?  So many unanswered questions.  Sounds like everybody else should just stay in the tower to avoid confusion if you guys are having your 1v1s.  Maybe you guys need to make some mention on the country channel that you're involved in a 1v1 at a certain location, and all must not engage your chosen enemy so we can all keep up to date with your actions and all be good polite AH players.

I'm not talking about an established furball here, I'm talking about when the multiple planes from both sides start seeping into range of your 1v1.  Why is it everyone else's responsibility to make sure to leave your duel alone when it may have started with only the two of you in the area, but there are now a half dozen planes from either side engaged with one another in the area?  Isn't that just the teeniest bit selfish and unreasonable?  It's a multiplayer game, not two player.

I'm also not talking about being up alone and happening upon two guys who are the only planes within a sector.  That's obvious.  My point is, the fluid nature of the game means it can only take seconds for people from both sides to appear and be all over either side of a 1v1.  Expecting everybody to just go 'Oh, those two planes (out of the seven from each side I can see at the moment) are clearly in a 1v1 and all must leave them be.' is just not realistic to expect.

Wiley.

waaaay back, when i was trying the different spitfires, i took a spixteen up one night. dropped into a 8 or 9 vs 3. of all of the red guys, i'd say that at least 6 of em formed a conga line behind my spixteen. it was pretty funny really.