madda~so true it is a great hord fighter, definitly my favorite bird next to the Hurri2 of course, but the hurri just dont have the speed, the K4 is a whole nother beast, I can barely land hits in whatever im in, but damn that K4 is my nemesis, I love the handling, the climb, speed, but damn that 30 mill to hell lol allthough recently ive been only able to go offline so im getting as much practice with the offline mission K4's against the 51's (plus ive gleened everything I can from Grizz for targeting) I was always one to try and saddle an nme, now im going for the angles and find it easier to land hits and man does that thing hit, as you well know :-)