Rookie Pilot Seeking Help

[Hoff]

I've never gotten a message in-game (I didn't even know you could private message in-game) and didn't notice the PM. I'll keep an eye out.

[Guppy35]

I sense a lot of hostility for some reason. I have yet to see anyone offer to wing up with me in game and every time I log in I'm sure to check for people who have replied in this post offering to wing up, but haven't seen any on yet. I don't do check 6 calls because people are usually already aware or someone else has already called it. Besides, I'm more focused on my flying and improving that. Once I feel comfortable with myself, I'll start giving out check 6 calls. While we're on that topic, I really don't find check 6 calls very useful most of the time. I'd say 1/20 times I don't already know there is someone coming in on me, all the other times it's just yelling into my ears what I already see.

I think you are missing the messages.  Lots of folks have offered to wing up with you.  Traveler and his crew, I know I said here and in the arena you could wing up with any of the 80th guys and we're a 38 bunch too. 

[Hoff]

Trust me, I actively look. First thing I do when I start up the game is go into the TA and see if anyone is there. Second thing I do is if there aren't any trainers on in the TA, I go to the MA and open up the roster, sort by squad, and look for 113 and 80. I have yet to see anyone from 113 or 80 on, but today I managed to find FLS in the TA for about 20-30 minutes.

Thanks for the fights FLS, my butt still hurts from it. I got my bellybutton handed to me and I don't know how you did it, unfortunately I wasn't recording so I can't analyze it in depth. Oh well, I'll have to destroy some people in COD to make myself feel better then I'll get back on in the MA and see if I can kill anyone. It seemed like no matter what I tried, I couldn't get a shot on you unless you tried to rope me in the vertical.

[Hoff]

Also, I play very late at night, so that could be why I'm not able to find yall.

[FLS]

Trust me, I actively look. First thing I do when I start up the game is go into the TA and see if anyone is there. Second thing I do is if there aren't any trainers on in the TA, I go to the MA and open up the roster, sort by squad, and look for 113 and 80. I have yet to see anyone from 113 or 80 on, but today I managed to find FLS in the TA for about 20-30 minutes.

Thanks for the fights FLS, my butt still hurts from it. I got my bellybutton handed to me and I don't know how you did it, unfortunately I wasn't recording so I can't analyze it in depth. Oh well, I'll have to destroy some people in COD to make myself feel better then I'll get back on in the MA and see if I can kill anyone. It seemed like no matter what I tried, I couldn't get a shot on you unless you tried to rope me in the vertical.

By flying lag pursuit and not turning as hard I often had my speed higher so I had more E and could turn better when you got slow.
Fun flying. 

[Hoff]

I thought slower = better turn?

[PuppetZ]

True. To a point. As you turn, speed will drop because of increased drag. As speed drop your turn radius will get smaller but you wont be able to turn your nose as fast as airflow around the wings become insuficient to provide enough lift to continue to pull max G.

[clerick]

I thought slower = better turn?

This is there "corner veliocity" comes into play. You have two things you are looking at while making a turn; Turn rate and turn radius. A faster plane will make a larger radius turn and a slower one, obviously, will make a smaller one. However, just because a turn is smaller doesn't mean you come around faster. Each plane has a specific speed (i.e corner velocity).  At this speed, the plane will complete a 360 degree turn fastest.

http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/corner.htm

This list is NOT for AHII, but it should give you a good idea of what corner velocity is all about.  Look at the first two columns and column 5. At the CV (column 1) you will have the turn radius shown in column 2, more to the point it will take you X number of seconds as listed in column 5.  This is the fastest that you will be able to complete a full 360 degree turn.  If you drive your plane faster around a circle your radius will grow and your time to complete the turn will increase.  If you drive your plane slower, your radius will decrease but, almost counter-intuitively, your time to complete the turn will increase too.

AGAIN THIS IS NOT DATA FROM AHII

[Hoff]

I've been messing around with a few planes and I can't decide which one to stick to. I love the guns of the 190D9 and p38, I love the stability of the p38, I love the speed and roll rate of the 190D9, I love the climb rate of the 109k, and I love the turn radius of the F4U. I like to BnZ when appropriate but I don't want to only be able to do that. Flying the 190 feels really cool with the insane roll rate and I love how it can be used to get people off your six or at least make them miss a lot. I also like how it can run away fairly easily. The only thing I don't like about it is that it really really sucks in rolling scissors fights, which I tend to get into a lot. My gripe with the p38 is that it's too slow to catch people who decide to run on the deck.

I dunno, what do yall recommend? I guess FLS would be the best person to recommend one since he's seen me fly a little.

[Ack-Ack]

My gripe with the p38 is that it's too slow to catch people who decide to run on the deck.

It all depends on what plane you're chasing. 

ack-ack

[FLS]

I thought slower = better turn?

A turn is just lift around a center point. You don't increase lift by going slower.

If you are above corner speed your turn radius gets bigger because you're above your G limit and would black out from a max turn. Your best turn rate and smallest turn radius are both at corner speed on the edge of blackout.

Any time you are below corner speed you can turn faster and tighter by gaining speed first.


All the aircraft you mentioned are good choices. I can't say that one would suit you better than another.

[katanaso]

I've been messing around with a few planes and I can't decide which one to stick to. I love the guns of the 190D9 and p38, I love the stability of the p38, I love the speed and roll rate of the 190D9, I love the climb rate of the 109k, and I love the turn radius of the F4U. I like to BnZ when appropriate but I don't want to only be able to do that. Flying the 190 feels really cool with the insane roll rate and I love how it can be used to get people off your six or at least make them miss a lot. I also like how it can run away fairly easily. The only thing I don't like about it is that it really really sucks in rolling scissors fights, which I tend to get into a lot. My gripe with the p38 is that it's too slow to catch people who decide to run on the deck.

I dunno, what do yall recommend? I guess FLS would be the best person to recommend one since he's seen me fly a little.

As you play longer and gain experience, you'll find out that the 190's are very capable in rolling scissor fights.

Honestly, I would recommend something that allows you to learn ACMs and work on SA.  The planes you listed, F4U, 190, P38, and 109K, aren't the easiest for a novice to pick up right away.  They have intricacies that need to be learned or they're easy kills for a skilled opponent.

I'd probably start off with a Spit 8 or Spit 9, or Ki84 if you want to learn how to walk the flaps, and then work on throttle control and the various types of pursuit and ACMs.

[FLS]

Mir that's good advice but Hoff had stated earlier that he was aware of easier rides and didn't want to fly them. He did his homework and he's flying well for a new guy so I didn't discourage him from starting in a more challenging aircraft.

[katanaso]

Oh, I didn't read where he said that!  My apologies!

[FLS]

It's still good advice Mir.