Boot people who have latency greater than 1.5 sec from the arena

[Ardy123]

Keep in mind that this game is played by people from around the globe and not all of them may have the same connectivity that you and I have.  I know that some may use it to their advantage but to group all people into one group is a bit rash.  What gives HTC the right to boot me after I pay my monthly fee because they think I lag to much??  I know I would be very upset with HTC if they did that.  Not good to make your customers mad.

BigKev

Most players from all around the world don't have awful 2+sec lag. Even players from places like Hungry, which may not have as developed infrastructure as say the UK. Also, a few upset players at the balanced by everyone else having a good environment seems to be a fair trade off...

Why should all the other players have to put up with one players laggy garbage connection, just so that one player is happy?  

We are not talking about people with 300-500ms pings, we are talking about a perpetual few individuals who are around 2+ sec (2000+ ping time) who presence reduce the game experience from air combat to a futile game of whack-a-mole as they randomly jump across your screen.

[BigKev03]

Most players from all around the world don't have awful 2+sec lag. Even players from places like Hungry, which may not have as developed infrastructure as say the UK. Also, a few upset players at the balanced by everyone else having a good environment seems to be a fair trade off...

Why should all the other players have to put up with one players laggy garbage connection, just so that one player is happy?  

We are not talking about people with 300-500ms pings, we are talking about a perpetual few individuals who are around 2+ sec (2000+ ping time) who presence reduce the game experience from air combat to a futile game of whack-a-mole as they randomly jump across your screen.

Like I said I pay for a service, what gives you are anybody else the right to boot me because you dont like the way I lag?  You dont pay my monthly fee.  Nor does HTC.  I pay HTC.  I dont like it either but to just decide that because you lag you deserve a boot.  HTC would lose customers if they did it.  Its just something that we will have to deal with even though we dont like it. 

[oTRALFZo]

With the satellite reference, I think they are whining about joeblack.  The guy lives in the boondocks and unfortunately, it's the best quality connection he can get.

ack-ack

My last encounter with him was thinking I had a clean merge. Come to hear bullets hitting the plane a few seconds after he passes then I get the white collision msg when he starts berrating on 200 how I rammed him.

I can totaly understand someone wanting to play with that connection and sure there are going to be problems. Ive been told a few times that I was warping. A simple sorry and I will even try to relog if I can, but he just insists he is right and its everyone elses fault.

[Ardy123]

Like I said I pay for a service, what gives you are anybody else the right to boot me because you dont like the way I lag?  You dont pay my monthly fee.  Nor does HTC.  I pay HTC.  I dont like it either but to just decide that because you lag you deserve a boot.  HTC would lose customers if they did it.  Its just something that we will have to deal with even though we dont like it.  

What makes your $ more valuable than everyone else?





















nothing... so your argument holds no water.

Oh yeah, and other games already do this, iRacing as pointed out already forbids people with satellite connections.

[Ack-Ack]

A simple sorry and I will even try to relog if I can, but he just insists he is right and its everyone elses fault.

If I was joeblack and everyone and their mother calling me names because of my connection, I'd tell everyone else too to get bent.  The guy is in a location where the only reliable connection he has is a satellite connection and it's just as frustrating for him as it is for everyone else and despite the whines and claims, he does not do it to induce any sort of advantage. 


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[Ardy123]

If I was joeblack and everyone and their mother calling me names because of my connection, I'd tell everyone else too to get bent.  The guy is in a location where the only reliable connection he has is a satellite connection and it's just as frustrating for him as it is for everyone else and despite the whines and claims, he does not do it to induce any sort of advantage. 


ack-ack

Many satellite connections are coupled with dial-up for the up stream connection. he could use his dialup and avoid the issue. Also, most satellite ISP providers offer dial up for free.

[Ack-Ack]

Many satellite connections are coupled with dial-up for the up stream connection. he could use his dialup and avoid the issue. Also, most satellite ISP providers offer dial up for free.

His dial up connection is worse than his satellite connection.  The only way his connection is going to improve is if he moves out of the rural area he lives in.

Maybe you guys should start up a collection for him so he can move to an area with a better and more reliable connection.


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[RTHolmes]

Oh yeah, and other games already do this, iRacing as pointed out already forbids people with satellite connections.

yup, iirc the default kick level was 350ms for RTCW and ET servers. I realise that its more critical for FPS games where a fast twitch means the diff between life and death but I played with players from japan and australasia all the time on texas based servers so 500ms isnt unreasonable ...

[Ardy123]

His dial up connection is worse than his satellite connection.  The only way his connection is going to improve is if he moves out of the rural area he lives in.

Maybe you guys should start up a collection for him so he can move to an area with a better and more reliable connection.


ack-ack

Highly unlikely..

The average latency for broadband by satellite is between 500 and 900 milliseconds–much worse than even a dial-up internet connection, where the latency is only 150 to 200 milliseconds.

http://www.hikaro.com/communications/broadband-internet/broadband-satellite%C2%A0%C2%A0.html

[RTHolmes]

nice idea to accommodate everybody, but should we ensure players with a i486 + ATi Rage PC can play too?


btw latency to the moon is less than 1.5s ...

[Ardy123]

nice idea to accommodate everybody, but should we ensure players with a i486 + ATi Rage PC can play too?


btw latency to the moon is less than 1.5s ...

is that a 486 SX or DX..

exactly RT ... there should be a threshold, as latency range is another requirement just as a cpu is.

[Ack-Ack]

Highly unlikely..

The average latency for broadband by satellite is between 500 and 900 milliseconds–much worse than even a dial-up internet connection, where the latency is only 150 to 200 milliseconds.

http://www.hikaro.com/communications/broadband-internet/broadband-satellite%C2%A0%C2%A0.html

The problem as he had explained it to me with his dial up isn't the dial up ISP but the quality of the phone lines in his area that have not been upgraded in decades.  The guy lives in a very rural area and to get the lines improved and upgraded to his house he'd have to be the one to pay the costs or wait until the phone company decides to improve and upgrade the phone lines in his area.

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[Ardy123]

The problem as he had explained it to me with his dial up isn't the dial up ISP but the quality of the phone lines in his area that have not been upgraded in decades.  The guy lives in a very rural area and to get the lines improved and upgraded to his house he'd have to be the one to pay the costs or wait until the phone company decides to improve and upgrade the phone lines in his area.

ack-ack

I'm not singling out Joe Black, there is a small collection of people who fit in this category (4-5). I'd lump them into the same group as the people who don't have a good enough computer to play the game and say, tough.

The avg satellite latency is way below 2 sec, as a matter of fact, its less than half that, so there is more going on (Crappy ISP with tons of proxies that have buffers that are too large, etc...). Notice I didn't say the connection type in the wish, just the latency.

[oTRALFZo]

If I was joeblack and everyone and their mother calling me names because of my connection, I'd tell everyone else too to get bent.  The guy is in a location where the only reliable connection he has is a satellite connection and it's just as frustrating for him as it is for everyone else and despite the whines and claims, he does not do it to induce any sort of advantage. 


ack-ack

I never claimed he did it on purpose to gain an advantage. Even after the incident I made no mention about it. He is very well aware that he has a crappy connection and will call YOU out for it as most that are notorious "warpers" in the game.

I understand everyone cant have a great connection all the time, but if I'm well known for it, I have no right to call out others for collisions due to warping and he just did not get it.

[VonMessa]

you could limit them to GVs where the rate of travel isn't as fast and thus 2 sec lag is not the difference between you being on his 6 or him being on your 6.

Will only work if you limit the subscription fee, which, will never happen.