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[DemonFox]

You could be right Lusche but I think the Pros out way the Cons in the end. 

[Blagard]

How many of you are motivated by "name in lights"?
I'd like to see messages removed, I think the "quality of play" could only improve 

Not motivated at all, I do like to get back and land my kill. (not often plural) It is just the way I like to play.

I do wonder if the "rankings" and "stats" have more to do with the gameplay. After all you get more points for landing the kills, and I think (Going to get shot down here), the points increase expotentially the more kills to land in a flight.

[JUGgler]

Juggler, why dont you show us what you mean by not landing any kills, you can auger, ditch whatever.  I mean if it bothers you that much, then 1 less "juggler has landed x kills" would be appreciated  .  

semp

LOL  I would bet there is no-one else who bails when things get boring more than myself, but if you will love me more I will fly next tour never landing and never shooting anything  

Since laughter is my main motivator I can see plenty of motivation next tour  
 I could do it in Bostons, or FU88s, maybe goons. I think my point is the quality of everyones experience could improve IF the motivation was a tad less meaningfull  

Agian it doesn't bother me, it is merely sooo many peeps are defaulting to the lowest standard these days


JUGgler

[grizz441]

Couldn't it be that increasing the requirement from 2 to 5 kills would just increase the perceived "timidness"? And further, wouldn't the impact be less on those few players whose names seem to implied in this thread, as opposed to the average Joe who is glad of getting his two kills in the lights once every blue moon?

It would be better if players could set the minimum kills it takes to display the system message.  I'd set mine at 100.  

[Lusche]

and I think (Going to get shot down here), the points increase expotentially the more kills to land in a flight.

Yes, you are going to get shot down 
You do net get more score points for landing more kills in a single sortie. But of course it will boost your Kills/Sortie number and that's why it has an impact on score & rank

(Just for the record, K/D, or "surviving" in general, is usually being overrated for rank purposes)

[Blagard]

Yes, you are going to get shot down 

 

I'm glad you cleared that one up for me. 

[Krusty]

I like to see my name in lights now and then, if I can pull it off. I've done some nice kill streaks sometimes.

I, too, think that the SCORING is a far worse culprit than the name in lights.


Also some of you probably haven't been around that long. Originally any kill anywhere on any other player was listed in the chat buffer. Mid-flight. "Kill 2 of so and so by so and so" "kill 3 of so and so by so and so" or whatever the format was. After a while the increased player base and the chat lag necessitated changes, and they made it only list when you landed 2 or more.

[JUGgler]

It would be better if players could set the minimum kills it takes to display the system message.  I'd set mine at 100.  

Or when a player reaches 5 kills their dot on the clipboard would be high lighted to a specific color for all to see, radar up or down let the HUNT begin!  

I for one would enjoy being hunted in this fashion immensly  


JUGgler

[gyrene81]

Couldn't it be that increasing the requirement from 2 to 5 kills would just increase the perceived "timidness"? And further, wouldn't the impact be less on those few players whose names seem to implied in this thread, as opposed to the average Joe who is glad of getting his two kills in the lights once every blue moon?

anything is possible lusche...hell, one day i might shoot grizz down in a 1v1 but, we could be living on mars before that happens.    

i'm willing to bet good money "perceived timidness" would decrease and the actual value of seeing ones name in lights would increase for a majority of the players...sure, those who currently exhibit stupid behavior will continue as they are now...and those who could care less one way or the other will continue as well...but look at this from the newer player aspect...it has the potential of motivating them to somewhat higher standards.

you really like playing devil's advocate don't you?    doorknob

[321BAR]

Name in lights.... what is it?

[Lusche]

you really like playing devil's advocate don't you?    doorknob

Yes I do 

But actually I just like to ponder all possible effects any suggested change may have. And I'm just not sure what kind of effect this one would have, especially on the "quality" of fight or gaming experience. I only know it will remove just one more incentive for the majority of players who (being sub-average and/or new) hardly ever get their name in lights at all. I remember back in time it was a huge incentive for me, a goal to aim for. My first "name in lights" yayyy.... Today, it would have no impact on me at all, even though I'm still not a honorable quality fighter.

[PFactorDave]

I only know it will remove just one more incentive for the majority of players who (being sub-average and/or new) hardly ever get their name in lights at all. I remember back in time it was a huge incentive for me, a goal to aim for. My first "name in lights" yayyy.... Today, it would have no impact on me at all, even though I'm still not a honorable quality fighter.

I agree.  When I was new, it was an accomplishment to land more then one kill for me.  Taking that motivating factor away just serves to take an experience away from the new players.  I also doubt that taking it away would change overall gameplay at all.  Pickers will still pick, simply to get kills.  HOers will still HO, simply to get kills.  Runners will still run, simply not to let someone kill them.

The real way to improve gameplay would be to make an honest effort to teach a new guy how to merge.  How to take advantage of a HO attempt.  Etc...

If everyone who comes in here to whine about how gameplay has degraded simply spent a few hours meeting and teaching new or less skilled players each month, it would be a different game.  But I guess it is easier to whine. 

[gyrene81]

so...how would you identify a new player? go down the roster and look for a name you haven't seen before then check their score, then offer unsolicited advice on how not to be a timid hoingvulchpicktard? perhaps a few hours a day in the da spanking them until they get it?

sorry guys, but i'm not a trainer...don't want to be a trainer...not good enough to be a trainer...and the few hours a week i get to fly, i am not going to spam the chat channel with "any newbs want some help doing <blah blah>?" then spend the rest of my time trying to explain/show whatever, with the limitations of vox.

[PFactorDave]

so...how would you identify a new player? go down the roster and look for a name you haven't seen before then check their score, then offer unsolicited advice on how not to be a timid hoingvulchpicktard? perhaps a few hours a day in the da spanking them until they get it?

You'd be surprised how easy it is to find somebody who would love help and a little training simply by exchanging friendly PMs after a fight.  Keyword there is friendly.

[guncrasher]

LOL  I would bet there is no-one else who bails when things get boring more than myself, but if you will love me more I will fly next tour never landing and never shooting anything  

Since laughter is my main motivator I can see plenty of motivation next tour  
 I could do it in Bostons, or FU88s, maybe goons. I think my point is the quality of everyones experience could improve IF the motivation was a tad less meaningfull  

Agian it doesn't bother me, it is merely sooo many peeps are defaulting to the lowest standard these days


JUGgler

well see the problem is that everybody has different standards.  and even when it comes to which aircraft to fly  there are so many opinions.  Me I would prefer everybody learn to fly in a spitfire, hurricane, zero, or any other fighter with a max speed of 200.  there there are some who say dont fly those, it teaches you bad acm.   so which player is right?  what about those who only enjoy gv'ing and hate to be bombed.  or those who only want to fly buffs.

I pm a player the other day who I always see diving and running about turning his pony once in a while.  his reply was, that's how he enjoys the game.  how can you argue with that.  his 15 bucks, he has fun, how can you argue against that.

some of you guys want other players to play according to your idea of how the game should be played.  guess what, it wont happen.  you can argue to death that ho'oing or ramming another plane is stupid.  some of us will shoot think it is fun to shoot a plane coming head and will shoot and try to avoid the other players guns.  is it stupid playing like that?  probably, but heck it is fun as hell too.

so i guess play the game according to how you want to play and stop worrying so much about what the other player does.  after all the only reason we play this game is because we have fun.

semp